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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.
Subscribe on YouTubeCharlie Kirk Addresses Oklahoma State Students on Citizenship, Faith, and Conservative Values at Campus Event
Charlie Kirk brought his campus tour to Oklahoma State University for an energetic question-and-answer session with students. Fresh off celebrating national wrestling champion Wyatt's upset victory, Kirk fielded challenging questions on birthright citizenship, Second Amendment rights, press freedom, immigration policy, and the role of Christianity in government. Students from across the political spectrum engaged Kirk on topics ranging from the 14th Amendment to gun laws, media access at the White House, and whether guilt for historical wrongs should be inherited. Kirk defended conservative principles while emphasizing individual responsibility, the Christian foundations of America, and the importance of outworking opposition in hostile environments. The event showcased the kind of direct dialogue that defines Turning Point USA's approach to engaging young Americans on college campuses.
Celebrating Oklahoma State and Championship Spirit
Charlie Kirk opened his Oklahoma State University campus event by celebrating national wrestling champion Wyatt, calling his victory one of the greatest upsets in wrestling history. Kirk praised Stillwater as a special place and commended the crowd turnout, noting it exceeded what he would have received at the University of Oklahoma. The enthusiastic atmosphere set the stage for an extended question-and-answer session where Kirk invited students to challenge his views, promising priority to those who disagreed.
Debating Names, Meaning, and Presidential Authority
The first student asked Kirk about President Trump's renaming of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America and Mount Denali back to Mount McKinley. While the student suggested names don't matter much, Kirk pushed back with a deeper philosophical point. He argued that names should reflect meaning, citing biblical examples where names carried significance—Abraham meaning "free person," Moses meaning "out of the water," and Isaac meaning "laugh" because Sarah laughed at the prospect of bearing him. Kirk contended that bringing naming back to meaning isn't just semantics, noting that "semantics" itself means "meaning" in its original Greek.
Confronting the Birthright Citizenship Question
A high school junior named Jacob Norwood, who has friends born to illegal immigrants, challenged Kirk on birthright citizenship and the 14th Amendment. Kirk stated he supports abolishing birthright citizenship as currently interpreted, arguing the 14th Amendment was never intended for "anchor babies." While acknowledging the amendment granted citizenship to former slaves, Kirk distinguished between children of citizens and children of illegal immigrants. He explained that the United States is one of the few industrialized nations with birthright citizenship, describing as "insane" the practice of pregnant women from China or Vietnam flying to America to give birth and secure U.S. citizenship for their children. Kirk argued this practice cuts in line and dilutes the meaning of citizenship.
Defending Against White Supremacist Accusations
In a tense exchange, a high school student relayed his father's question about whether Kirk would still be a "white supremacist" in a more diverse work field. Kirk firmly rejected the label, expressing disappointment that such accusations continue. He pointed to his organization Blexit, which employs 40 black Americans working in Atlanta, Chicago, and Philadelphia to improve conditions in inner-city black communities. Kirk condemned the destructive nature of carelessly labeling people as racists or white supremacists, arguing such language prevents productive dialogue and national unity. He challenged the student to define white supremacism and noted there's no evidence whatsoever to support such characterizations of his work.
Advice for Conservative Students in Liberal Fields
A young woman studying political journalism shared her struggles after landing an internship, only to be told by peers and mentors that as a Republican Christian woman, she probably wouldn't succeed. Kirk offered encouraging advice, telling her she will succeed if she simply outworks everyone else. He predicted many current journalists won't have jobs in five to ten years as media transforms, and suggested opportunities in communications director roles for senators and congressmen, as well as at local news stations with conservative ownership. Kirk emphasized the importance of silencing the noise, knowing your skills, following them regardless of what people say, and saying yes to every opportunity. He told her the opposition should only make her fight harder and will ultimately make her stronger.
Helping Mexico by Eliminating Drug Cartels
A Republican student from the University of Central Oklahoma with a liberal family asked about incentives to help Mexico in ways that would benefit America. Kirk provided what he acknowledged was a controversial answer: eliminating the drug cartels through military action. He explained that Mexico is controlled by nine families and the Sinaloa drug cartel, which produces the fentanyl responsible for the deaths of nearly 100,000 Americans annually from drug overdoses. Kirk argued this represents an active hostile combatant conflict and the poisoning of American communities, with the drug epidemic disproportionately killing young working-age men. He suggested targeted military strikes against the Sinaloa drug cartel would liberate Mexico from its current captivity, noting that hundreds of billions of dollars in aid over 30 years haven't solved the problem.
Defending Gun Rights as God-Given
A student who identifies as "totally against guns" asked what laws should prevent the wrong people from obtaining firearms. Kirk first established their fundamental disagreement by asking whether gun ownership is a right or privilege. When the student said privilege, Kirk explained his belief that the ability to defend one's family from threats and potentially tyrannical government is a right given by the Creator, not government. He argued you cannot have a free society without an armed citizenry. Kirk reframed the question, asking why we guard stadiums, banks, and airports with guns if guns themselves are the problem, suggesting the issue is broken humanity and sin, not the technology. He noted that of 30,000 annual gun deaths, two-thirds are suicides, with most remaining deaths occurring in gang violence in inner cities. Kirk opposed disarming law-abiding citizens because some abuse the technology, arguing that states with more guns generally see less violent crime.
Press Freedom and White House Access
An engineering student questioned Trump's decision to bar AP News from the White House after disagreements about the Gulf of Mexico naming. Kirk clarified that being in the White House press corps is a privilege, not a right, noting that not every blog or publication gets access. He explained the AP situation was the result of multiple instances of inaccurate reporting that reached a crescendo, not a violation of press freedom since AP can still publish whatever they want. Kirk compared it to having the right to remove a heckler with a bullhorn from a private event—the government can decide who gets privileged access to its facilities while still respecting free speech rights.
Two-Party System and Finding Common Ground
Tum Patel, a finance student voting in his first election, questioned whether America can be considered a democracy or constitutional republic with only two parties. Kirk corrected that America is a republic, not a democracy, and identified what he sees as the real existential crisis: unelected judges using nationwide injunctions to stop a president from implementing policies voters elected him to enact. On the two-party question, Kirk noted we do have libertarian and independent parties, but asked why Republicans should splinter themselves if Democrats won't. He acknowledged the Republican Party has problems but called it "the lesser of two evils." Kirk pointed out that Trump brought two former Democrats—Robert Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard—into his cabinet, something unprecedented in American history, making it more of a unity government. His advice: weigh both options and vote your values, with the conservative movement offering a better home for those who believe in free speech, common sense, borders, and protecting children.
Defending ASL Interpreters and Accessibility
A deaf student named Logan Evans, speaking through ASL interpreters, confronted Kirk about past social media posts during California wildfires where Kirk suggested interpreters on screen were distracting and that closed captioning works for everyone. Logan explained that American Sign Language is a critical primary language for the deaf community, not merely a translation of English, and that Kirk's comments caused the deaf community to lose respect for him. Kirk acknowledged he had been educated by other deaf individuals about the difference between ASL and closed captioning, noting that some deaf people don't relate to closed captioning because ASL is their first language. He said he didn't mean to offend and referenced doing a show on the topic after a USC student changed his perspective. Logan emphasized the historical importance of ASL in America, including Abraham Lincoln's involvement, and stressed that interpreters can save lives during emergencies like wildfires. Kirk thanked him for the respectful information and said he meant no offense. Logan then gave Kirk a sign name—CK, based on his distinctive facial features—as a gesture of acceptance into the deaf community.
Gospel and Politics: Finding the Balance
On April Fool's Day, a Christian student holding a sign referencing Romans 1 about worshiping creation rather than the Creator asked Kirk for advice on balancing gospel preaching with political lobbying. Kirk emphasized that both are needed. He called for a resurgence of a "masculine gospel" unafraid to discuss sin and hell, noting that society has seen a hyper-feminized gospel over the past 20-30 years. Kirk argued that people cannot understand they need a savior without understanding sin and what they're being rescued from. He referenced Galatians 3, saying the law is a guardian or schoolteacher to Christ, explaining that some people come to Christ by first thinking through conservative values—once they drink from the streams of liberty, they want to find its source, because liberty is God's idea, not man's. Kirk concluded by emphasizing the Great Commission calls for making disciples of all nations, not just converts, which requires going deep, preaching the entirety of God's word expositionally, and ensuring people understand there is a coming judgment alongside a God who loves them and sent His son on a rescue mission.
Exposing Woke Nonprofit Organizations
Kash Patel, a college Spanish instructor who drove an hour and a half from Norman, shared his turning point story that moved him from center-left to center-right. As president of the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages, he faced pressure from a woke board to cancel the contract of a small Mormon textbook business because the Mormon founder had made a donation against gay marriage 15 years earlier. Despite facing retaliation and being stripped of presidential duties for opposing the cancellation, Patel successfully demanded the resignation of an executive director making over $400,000 annually pushing ideological indoctrination, and restored the small business's contract. He highlighted that this organization receives hundreds of thousands in government funding and has a $25 million budget, asking Kirk to leverage his influence with the Trump administration to strip such organizations of government funding. The organization also pushed a policy to deny convention contracts to cities with anti-trans legislation. Kirk promised to give the information directly to Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency.
Christianity in Government: Principle Over Politics
A student noted Kirk's evolution over the past decade from advocating a more secular governmental structure to believing in more religiosity in government, questioning whether this would remain an effective political strategy given that young people are becoming less religious according to Pew Research. Kirk responded that he cares more about what's right than political strategy. He noted that church attendance is actually slightly increasing and young men are returning to Christianity in massive numbers. Kirk identified three documents showing America's Christian essence: the Mayflower Compact (America's birth certificate), the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. He clarified he doesn't want a theocracy but a free society where people have agency to reject God. However, Kirk rejected the concept of separation of morality and state, arguing that every decision involves judgments about good and evil, right and wrong, and scripture should inform those decisions as it has informed Western morality.
Rejecting Inherited Guilt for Historical Sins
In the final question, a sophomore from the Academy of Classical Christian Studies in Oklahoma City asked how to respond to an Oklahoma history teacher trying to make students feel guilty for what their ancestors did. Kirk gave a straightforward answer rooted in Christian principle: you should never feel guilty for something you didn't do. He referenced Galatians—that there is neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, we are all one in Jesus Christ. Kirk explained that individuals are not responsible for their father's sins or grandfather's sins; each person alone must atone before Jesus Christ in eternity. He called this a core Christian principle that's being distilled incorrectly in some educational settings. Kirk emphasized that people shouldn't have to apologize just because they look like someone who did something wrong, nor should they receive favor because someone who looked like them did something good a hundred years ago.
Video Transcript
How we doing Oklahoma State? And we have the national champion Wyatt. Everybody give it up. The national championship. How you guys doing? Wow. I've been saying it for the past seven, eight months. Still Water is a special place and you guys prove that today. You guys are awesome. one of the greatest upsets in the history of wrestling. They they they didn't even do the odds for what Wyatt did at the national championship and made Oklahoma State proud in so many different ways. And so Wyatt, God bless you, man. America is back and God bless you, Wyatt. Thank you, man. Thank you. All right, everybody. You guys know the rules. I'm going to sit here, take questions for a little bit. If you disagree, you go to the front of the line. And uh it's not too windy. I've never had it where I throw the hats and it comes back at me. I thought you guys were throwing the hats back at me, but uh it's Oklahoma State. You wouldn't do that. But uh and by the way, this is a much bigger crowd than I would have got at OU. I have to say much bigger [Music] crowd. Not allowed to say that, but whatever. All right, everybody. Let's get started. You guys know the rules. Thank you. Okay. Hello. Before I begin, Charlie, might I say it's an honor to meet you. After like hearing about you for maybe like five years growing up and like hearing all the negativity about you, I'm like it's an honor to be here to get to meet you because I've just I've always been a believer in like listening to what other people have to say. Um um and I just want to ask you a question. Do you like the new name for um the body of water that was formerly called um the Gulf of Mexico? [Music] of the Gulf of America. All right. All right. Um, do you also agree with the renaming of the mountain in Alaska that is um known as either Mount McKinley or Denali? Do you agree um Donald Trump's renaming of or I I should say President Trump's renaming of that to back to Mount McKinley? I'm generally sympathetic. Um I I can see where you're probably going with this line of questioning and we'll see how astute you are. No, I'm just curious to see what your opinion is. I No, that's fine. There's a name. No, it's okay. There's a third question you could ask. That would be pretty smart, but go ahead. It's a It's a name. A name's a name. I'm planning on becoming a teacher, so No, it's fine. Maybe you're not going there. That's fine. Yeah, I'm If it says Golf of America, I'll play golf America. Golf of Mexico. Just the golf. It's a name's a name. I'm sure I'm sure you I'm sure you here in Oklahoma probably still call what is now today Hurricane Harbor. I'm sure some of y'all still call it Whitewater Bay. So, a name's a name. I was just curious about that. Um your opinion on that. Um it's a pleasure to meet you, Charlie, and I'm glad that I could come out to meet you. Thank you. Let me just say one thing. A name is a name, but name should reflect meaning. And so, so if a name fails to reflect meaning, then that name should be either reconsidered or brought back to the root. Uh many of our ancestors, their last name would actually be either their profession or the tribe that they were part of. Uh for example, Abraham, that's my last name. My last name translates to free person in check. Oh, well very good. Uh so Abraham means father of nation. Uh nations. Moses, for example, means out of the water or redeemer. Uh Jacob means by the heel because he was born literally by the heel or usurper. Isaac means laugh because Sarah laughed at the idea of having him. Um so names actually used to really mean something. And I love this idea of bringing naming back to meaning. It's not just semantics. Semantics literally means meaning in its original Greek. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Congrats, Wyatt. That was that was a great question. Yeah. Hi, Charlie. Is it okay if I record this for myself? Okay. Of course you can. Yeah. So, um, my name is Jacob Norwood. I'm a junior in high school and uh I have a lot of friends who are born from illegal immigrants. Um and I was wondering if you agreed with the abolishment of the 14th amendment which allows birthright citizenship. Yes, I do. I don't think it's going to hold up, but I I do believe that the 14th amendment was not intended for anchor babies. Correct. Well, I thought it was intended because people who would be brought over here during slavery um and then their children would then have birthright citizenship and that was kind of slaves were granted citizenship though. They were granted citizenship after they were brought here forcibly and then yeah but then the kids of citizens are kids though. What is are citizens? What is the difference in immigrants a 100 years ago coming here and having children here uh to immigrants coming here illegally now? Uh well, slaves are a completely different moral category than someone who breaks into your country, right? Okay. What about Chinese immigrants 100 years ago coming here illegally? It should have been wrong then and it's wrong now. For sure. Both. But then why would people tried? I mean, we've tried to get rid of this for quite some time. Why agree with it then though? Like what's changed? What do you mean? And why I agree with it? What do you mean? What's changed now? Well, we're revisiting the actual text of the 14th Amendment. I mean, not and nothing's necessarily changed except we think the interpretation has been wrong because it says all persons. It's not clear whether or not that means children of US citizens or if it means a foreigner that just gets on a plane who's pregnant and their kid magically gets a US birth certificate. We are one of the only countries in in the industrialized world that has birthright citizenship. One of the few. And so, for example, there are tens of thousands of babies born every single year in America of women from China or from Vietnam that get pregnant in Vietnam and China and about 7 months they get on a plane, they land and have their baby in America, and that baby gets a US citizenship. I think that's insane. I think it's crazy that you can get on a plane, be pregnant from another country, and be a citizen from another country, come here, and then your kid all of a sudden becomes a US citizen. It complet, first of all, cuts in line and dilutes the meaning of US citizenship. Uh, I still don't agree with you, but I know there's not a way I can change your mind. It's all good. I did actually uh I have one more question my dad wanted me to ask you. He said, "Would you still be a white supremacist if you were in a more diverse work field?" So, do you think I'm a white supremacist? Uh, I have no idea if you're a white supremacist. My dad has watched a lot of you. He said, um, if you were if you weren't out here preaching hate and working on your three-pointers, um, do you think you would probably be better at that? Yeah. I'm not even going to justify you. You you you should be ashamed of your father. I'm definitely not. My father is an amazing man. He cares about American citizens. Your father pedals lies. I'm not a white supremacist. Honestly, shame on him for someone that runs an organization called Blexit. Do you even know what Blexit is? It's literally we employ 40 black Americans that work in Atlanta, Chicago, and Philadelphia trying to improve the well-being of inner city black America. What has your father ever done for inner city black America other than call me a white supremacist? And by the way, secondly, second, it's just so ridiculous. It's like people for your companies or whatever you do does not not make you a white supremacist. What is a white supremacist? A white supremacist is somebody who takes advantage and believes that they are higher than everybody else. Do I believe that? I have no idea. Okay. Exactly. And so there's no evidence whatsoever. And yet people go around sloppily saying you're a racist. You're white supremacist. It is so destructive to our dialogue. It's destructive to us coming together as a country and there's nothing to support it whatsoever. So, thank you for your time and shame on your father for pedalling that crap. Why does it feel like losing weight is harder than ever before? I mean, look around. Most people feel stuck, overwhelmed, and exhausted trying to fight a battle they can't seem to win. And if you've ever felt this way, you're not alone. I used to feel that way, too. Do what I did and called PhD weight loss and nutrition two years ago. I lost 40 lbs. Look, doesn't even fit anymore. I feel great and I haven't gained a pound back. Do what I did and make nutrition a top priority. Call 864-6441900 to schedule your weight loss consultation. Click the link in the description below to get two free weeks added to your weight loss package. Okay. Um, well, first off, I just want to say thank you so much for coming to our city today. It means a lot from I know a lot of my peers, but also me as well. Um, I kind of don't have a question for you, more of words of advice. Um, as someone who's fixing to graduate college, I've been studying political journalism. It's been ever since I was a little girl, that's been my main goal is to become a political journalism. I just um scored an internship actually to start off with um shadowing political journalists and everything and I was super excited for it. I thought it was going to be my start to my journey of success. When I have come to find out majority of my peers and mentors or people I even looked up to in the office that I work at in the news station, they have told me since I am a Republican Christian young woman that I probably won't succeed. And as someone who I've spent my whole life researching, dedicating my life to studying this, it's been very hard for me to continue to want to go into this field when I keep getting put down by the people that I look up to for one, my gender, and then two, even my Republican party for my morals. So, I kind of just wanted to ask you like I know you see so much and you read so much about yourself. Like what keeps you to keep going and gave you that motivation to keep speaking your truth with your morals? Yeah, it's a great question. First of all, um you will succeed in journalism if you just outwork the other people. Secondly, there's the a lot of these journalists, they're not going to have jobs in 5 to 10 years. I mean, media is changing in real time. My advice to you is first and foremost, there's a ton of communication directors jobs for senators and congressmen. There's local news stations and more uh conservative ownership. You you'll figure that out. Yeah. Um, you have to silence and mute the noise and know what you are good at and follow your skill regardless what people are saying and then say yes to every single opportunity. If you outwork everybody as an intern they they that will be noticed that will then be rewarded regardless of your political affiliation. And honestly all that opposition should only make you want to fight harder, will make you stronger and will make you a better person in your career in the future. So God bless you. Thank you so much, Charlie. Appreciate it. Thank you. Hi. Um, I am a Republican student at the University of Central Oklahoma. I have a liberal family and um, it's not always easy, but I was going to ask you about immigration. So, I know that we don't have an obligation to help Mexico, but is there incentives to help Mexico to make America better? Or and if so, what policies that we can support that would help that? Yeah, that's a good question. The first way that we could help Mexico is probably the most controversial, uh, which is to eliminate the drug cartels. And at that is very controversial because that would take military action. And President Trump has played around with this idea. I have no idea what he's going to do. Mexico is basically controlled by nine families and most importantly the Cinnola drug cartel which you guys might think that that's a foreign distant problem. Almost everybody in this audience has probably lost a friend to fentanyl or somebody that deals with hard drug use. Almost all of that is produced by the Sinnola drug cartel and it's trafficked right up into communities in Oklahoma all across the state. So the best way we could help Mexico is not through giving them money or just cash. We've given them hundreds of billions of dollars over the last 30 years. The best thing I think we could do is targeted military strikes against the Sinnola drug cartel and liberate them from their current captivity. Secondly though, they're actively hurting our country. And that's the first question we got from the guy is what do you mean you're being invaded? We are in an active hostile combatant conflict with the Senate drug cartel. What do you call it when a h 100red thousand of your own people die of drug overdosing of foreign made drugs that are being purposefully pumped into your communities? That that's a poisoning of the country. And yes, everyone has agency and they make decisions, but they make it first and foremost. A lot of people overdose now on drugs thinking they're taking a much lower level recreational drug that is lysopentyl. Now, you shouldn't do any drugs, guys, obviously, but unfortunately, we are seeing the intentional destruction, especially of working age young men in this country. The drug epidemic disproportionately is taking out young men in this country. And so, that's that's that that's what I think we should do to try to help Mexico. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. We'll take a couple more. Any disagreements can come up. We're here for gun rights and I'm totally against guns. Um, but I understand the reason why some people need guns and we can both agree that the wrong people get guns in their hands. But in some states, you don't need a background check for some guns. Um, my question is, what law do you think should be passed to prevent the wrong people from getting guns? It's a good question. Let me ask you where you're coming from. Do you believe owning a gun is a right or a privilege? I think it's a privilege. Okay. So, I think it's a right and that's okay. Let me tell you why. I believe the right for a free people to be able to defend their family from foes, be able to defend their family from government potentially coming after them is a right given to them by our creator. It's not given by government. You do not have a free society if you can't have an armed society. That's just definitionally true. So, but let me ask you a question as far as the laws just so we can, you know, think more clearly about this. You say you're against guns. Why does it make sense then that we guard our sports stadiums and our banks and our airports with guns? I what what are you against guns as a technology or are you against the people that use guns for evil? The people that use guns for evil, right? So maybe it's much more of a brokenness of humanity problem or a sin problem, not the actual tool itself. Um my question was what are the laws you So the laws I mean we already have federal laws on the books. We do have you know federal background checks that are not always enforced but honestly I think we should have less gun laws not more. I know this people disagree with this and but I'd love to get your response because it's a right. People should be able to protect themselves as they see fit. In states that generally have more guns not less guns like Houston. Yes, you do have some more gun deaths amongst inner city gangs, but violent crime tends to go down. And so I I don't want to disarm peaceful, law-abiding people just because some people abuse that tool or that technology. And so when you look at gun deaths in this country, there are 30,000 gun deaths a year. Twothirds of them are death by suicide. Okay? So that that number shouldn't even in there. The vast majority of the gun deaths that are related that are are are the ones in the remainder are individuals in gangs and inner cities that use guns in kind of gang violence. So really quickly, what is your issue with guns in America? I think it's pretty easy for anyone to get a gun and that's kind of a problem. Okay, we just disagree. I I think that you should be able to own a firearm and protect yourself. The minute that the government overinvolves itself in the selection process of who can own guns and who can own firearms, uh we start to run into major issues. We will we we will cease to be a free people if we are not an armed citizenry. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hello, Mr. Kirk. Nice to meet you. Um my name is Jiren. I'm a mechanical engineering student. So, not an expert by any means on uh politics or anything related to politics, but I disagree with some of uh Trump's actions and I wanted to know sort of your opinion because I haven't heard you voice it. Okay. Um Trump barred AP News from the White House because of their disagreement about the uh Gulf of Mexico and the Gulf of America. Um, and I feel like that's a violation of the freedom of press and I just wanted to know what your opinion on that was. Yeah, sure. I mean, first of all, he didn't bar them from publishing. He simply being in the White House press corps is a privilege, not a right. So, for example, not every blog or publication gets to be in the White House press corps. I want to be in the White House press corp and I got to like call the president and try to get that done, right? Yeah. Um, so it's a privilege. the White House has every right to be able to say, "Hey, you're not acting in a certain way or you are not reporting things that are factually or accurate, then you're not allowed in." That was a bubbling up problem with the AP. It was like 10 different instances and it just kind of hit a crescendo point. But it's not it's not violation of freedom of the press in the sense where they weren't like, "Hey, you're not allowed to publish articles that say Gulf of Mexico, right?" Think of it this way. Think of if you're having an event like this and some guy with a bullhorn shows up and starts heckling you, right? And hey, we we we we spent money for the gates and security and for all this, do we have a right to kindly say, "Hey, let us do our event." Of course we do. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. I still I don't disagree that it's perfectly legal to do that. I think it's um I don't know. I really like a lot of what AP News does. Even if I like I disagree with articles from every news source, right? uh tend to be more moderate, right? So, I disagree with CNN. I disagree with Fox News, right? It just depends. Hey, Charlie, what's up? Can Can you hear it? All right. Hi. Hi, Charlie. My Okay. My name is Tum Patel. I am a junior here at Oklahoma State. Um I bleed orange. Family always. Um so, I do finance and this was the first election our the election we just had. 77 million votes, baby. Let's go. You should clap for that probably. Okay. So, this this election was the first election that I've got to vote in. And I was proud of who I voted for. And I don't think I have to say who I did because I think it's pretty obvious. But, but I think America has a kind of well existential problem going on. Can we be considered a democracy or a constitutional republic if we only have two parties to vote for? really. Yes. I think the existential crisis is different though. I think that the bigger issue is whether or not we could be a dem I think we're a republic, not a democracy. That's a separate issue. If if a unelected group of judges can stop a president with a nationwide injunction from doing what he told the voters he would do, that's a major major problem. that that is the the the local nationwide injunction issue is the greatest existential crisis. So the question of more parties is always brought up. We do have I we have libertarian parties, we have independent parties, but if the Democrats won't splinter themselves, why would why should the Republicans splinter themselves? They shouldn't really. Yeah. So it's a it's kind of a a deadlock. And there I have a lot of problems with the Republican party, but it's the lesser of two evils. That's what that's kind of what a lot of people I think young people think of when they go to vote is that it's the lesser of two evils. Whether Democrat or Republican, which one makes more sense for them, who benefits their family, whether instead of thinking of the whole country as a whole, but then there's this middle ground, this un this America that doesn't have a voice, people who are moderate or independents who don't feel that either party will give them a um a proper say in our government, so they choose not to vote at all. What would you say to those people who probably didn't vote in this last election or in any election to make them vote for to vote? Really? Yeah. I mean, I would just say it's a good question. In this last election, I mean, Donald Trump had two people that ran for the presidency as Democrats in his cabinet, Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard. It's never happened before in American history. He is bringing people from the other party actively onto his team and into his team. So, I think that's much more of a unity party. But my message would be look, you have to weigh both of the options. Vote your values. And I believe that the conservative movement is a much better place for people that believe in free speech, common sense, borders, and hands off our kids. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. I I just have one last thing to say. I know it's a little cheeky, but will you sign my hat? Yes. Thank you. Yes. You can just look at me. So, do you see me? Can you see me? There's ASL access, too. So, all right. Hi, my name is Logan Evans. I'm deaf, and I'm honored to be here to have this opportunity to speak with you today. And it's really interesting debate so far, and I've learned a lot. But my question for you is, do you believe everyone in this crowd have equal access to information? Should they have that? Well, first of all, I think the translator are doing a great job. You should give it up for them. That's uh that's not easy. So, um, and especially with all the back and forth, ideally, of course, yes. Uh, but I will say that some people in this audience, for example, would love to see the entire thing, but they're not up close. But I'm really glad that you're able to have a translator that can make you as possibly part of this event. Um, and so I think and they're doing a great job. Yes. Thank you for being positive and saying stuff like that. uh in California when there was the wildfires happening, you posted something on social media that said that a person should not be interpreting on the screen. You should get them out because they're a distraction. And I lost a lot of respect for you that day. Yeah, that's you said that closed caption works for everybody, right? But you have to understand that American sign language is a critical point for the deaf community to access a language. And the entire deaf community lost a lot of respect for you. And you said, "Get the interpreters out the way. That's a distraction. But you just said everybody should have a right to equal access to information. So what do you believe about that? Right. So I've had a couple uh very uh respectful deaf people come up to the event. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I was educated on the difference between ASL and closed captioning and that some deaf people don't actually even it's a first or primary language. Um meaning closed captioning might not relate to it. I don't want to dwell too much on it. I even said to someone at USC, she might have changed my mind. So, never meant to offend you. It wasn't meant in that way. I did a whole show on it. Be happy to uh send that to you so you could view it. Um but thank you for your commentary on that. And um look, the one thing that's fine, but deaf people have already changed their views on you. You look like you are against people with disability. You're an oddest. So, first we really appreciate you and you coming in to social media and be including in close captioning. We do appreciate that portion and everybody should be more inclusive as well. But also having interpreters, you have to understand that American sign language there is history in the United States. See, Abraham Lincoln was involved in it. I mean, everybody was involved and has multiple years, hundreds of years of discrim discrimination trying to get rid of American Sign Language and this information is vital to our community. And yeah, you're right. Close captioning is great and with but without interpreters, we can lose lives. in the wildfire that happened that you specifically commented on or Oklahoma, we had wildfires here, too. It's super important to make sure that we're giving the information because you're going to lose a life. You have to understand that. Okay, got it. I I will I will say though that during the wildfire, I think there were interpreters, but point taken. Happy to learn more about it. Uh, thank you for the respectful information and I I meant no offense to you and thank you for being here and thank you again to our great transition. Thank you so much. I mean, can I say something to the crowd as well if you don't mind? Yeah. I just want to say I want to thank you so much for letting the deaf people to come in here and having access as well. But as you can see there's an ASL group over here. They're signing right now and I don't mind. Do would you mind looking at the ASL group? Do you have Do you have a second? Just peek your head around right there. Right behind you. Literally right behind you a little bit more. All right. Hello everyone. Great. And I just want to say thank you for the people that let me through and let me ask my questions. And I it's an honor. Can I give you a sign name? That's a huge thing to be accepted in the deaf community. So, will you copy me right now? Can you copy my signs? Do you see the C and then K, right? So, C K right there. CK. It's about your distinctive facial features. That's what we do. CK. CK. Everybody copy C K. There we go. Yay. Thank you. That's very Thank you. Uh, disagreements, guys are welcome to work your way to the front. Yes, sir. Hi, Mr. Kirk. My name is Max. You aware that today is April Fool's Day? All right. Well, I'm also aware that it's April Fool's Day. And I have a an opinion of somebody who's a fool, and I think you would agree with it. Somebody who worships the creation rather than the creator. Like Romans 1. Like Romans 1. That's on that's what's on my sign here. Let's let's let everybody see it. Um, I do have a point though. As a Christian, I want to see everyone here's hearts turn from the creation to the creator. Maybe they're worshiping themselves, but I want to see them turn to the creator. And I think you you think something similar. And when I look at the New Testament, I see that the way that's going to come about is through preaching the gospel, right? But I also want society to change. So my question for you is more of an advice question. um as a Christian who wants to see the world changed through the death and resurrection of Jesus, how much of my effort should be put towards preaching the gospel and how much of it should be spent lobbying for policies. What's more effective? And you know, maybe it's not an either or thing. Yeah. But I think a lot of times uh especially conservative Christians will uh take the policies without ever telling anybody about Jesus. Well, we need both, right? So, first and foremost, uh thank you. Everyone should give their life to Jesus. is the most important thing that anybody can do in your life. Number one, we we have seen a hyper feminized gospel the last 20 or 30 years and it's a big problem. We need a resurgence of a masculine gospel, which is one that is unafraid of telling the consequences of sin, right? Well, the sin and hell. So, we talk a lot about a savior, but how can you possibly know you need a savior if you don't talk about sin? And so, how do you know you need a savior if you don't know what you're being rescued from? And so we need to instruct and talk about how we all for all of us myself included all of us on a daily basis fall short of the glory of God. We are violating many of the ten commandments almost every single day. And we need Jesus to save us from our wretched depraved natural nature of um being broken. So what does that mean for you? Well, we we need all parts of the body. The first of which I believe in Galatians 3 it says that the law is a guardian or a school teacher to Christ. that for some people they are going to come to Christ by first thinking through conservative values and principles and seeing it make sense and once they start drinking from the streams of liberty they're going to want to find its source because liberty is not man's idea liberty is God's idea and for other people though it's outright preaching the gospel here's my last piece of advice though do not just preach the gospel and try to get converts of all nations we are called to make disciples of all nations which means you must go deep you must preach the entirety of the word of God every word. You must be expositional in the way that you do it, but you must make people understand that there is a judgment coming for all of them. There's a God who loves them that sent his son on a rescue mission to save us from that. Amen. And it's not just it's not just all rolling hills and loveydovey messages. I'm with you. Thank you. Thank you, man. God bless you. Thank you. All right. Any disagreements can work them way to the front. Yes. Go ahead. Okay. Hi, Charlie. Uh my name is Akash Patel and I drove an hour and a half Patel. Yes, you're the FBI director with an A with an A. Okay. It's AK A. And the FBI director's here. I'm an educator. I'm a college instructor. I don't know if you get very many of those to come up here. Sometimes. Sometimes. Okay. Well, I drove an hour and a half from Norman. Uh, and I want to just talk about Okay. I didn't go to school in Norman. Okay. Okay. Well, so I just want to talk about my turning point and ask you a question. Because I used to be on the center left and I'm on the center right and I'll tell you why. It was a few years ago I was elected as the president of the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages. I'm a Spanish instructor and these organizations have become so woke that the first thing that I was uh tasked with was the majority woke board of 14 members were deciding if they need to cancel the contract of a small Mormon business that sells textbooks. This is the party that is against book banning and wanted to cancel the contract of a small business person who is a Mormon because the Mormon founder made a donation against gay marriage 15 years ago because this guy right here stood up against it. I faced retaliation. They stripped me off my duties as the president. But despite all of those odds, I was able to demand for the resignation of the executive director who makes over $400,000 a year pushing ideological indoctrination on the left and restore the contract of that small Mormon business. Now, this is not an isolated incident, Charlie. This is happening in nonprofits all across the country. And I'm so pleased President Trump is doing something about college campuses, stripping them of their funding so that they can become more safe spaces for people of all perspectives, all walks of life. What can you do to leverage your influence that you have with the Trump administration to make sure nonprofit organizations like this one that I ran has a budget of over $25 million, gets million hundreds of thousands of dollars in government funding get stripped of their government funding for pushing this kind of ideological extremism. Give us the name. I'll give it to Elon and Doge. I've got a letter. All right. I I I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Akash. Thank you. Thank you. So, this shows all the stuff we have to cut. Akos, is that right? Yes. All right, I'll give it right to Elon. And that's got my address, too. So, we're going to cut this baby really quick. The other thing, just quickly, just quickly, the other thing they also pushed, we have an annual convention of over 10,000 educators. They pushed a policy that they're going to deny convention contracts to convention centers in cities with anti-trans legislation. Talk about it. We're serving teachers across the country that teach languages to students all across the country. So, please do something about We're on it. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie, for being here. Thank you. Howdy, Charlie. Um, welcome to Oklahoma State University, obviously. Um, All right. Uh I'm I have a small disagreement with you. Um but part of this is just a question. Um in the past uh 10 years or so, you've switched your views from uh an idea of having a more secular governmental structure to believing that there should be more religiosity in government. Um while obviously that's working for the moment um with the Republican party, I was wondering if um you think long term that's going to continue to uh if you believe that's going to continue to be an effective political strategy because um I mean if you're looking at Pew Research, uh you know, there's way way more students of our age and lower becoming non-religious than there are, you know, new religious citizens of the United States. Yeah, I don't care as much about the political strategy. I care about what's right. And I will say though that church attendance is actually slightly going up. Young men are moving back to Christianity in massive numbers in this country. So keep that trend going. Um but yes, there are three documents when paired together show the Christian essence and nature. The first is the Mayflower Compact, which is our birth certificate and then is our declaration of independence and then our con the constitution. Those three documents together show the Christian basis of the United States of America. And look, I do not want a theocracy. I want a free society. I think if you want to reject God on your terms, you should absolutely have the agency and the ability to do that. I do not believe though in a separation of morality and state at at every corner people are going to make calls or judgments what is good or what is evil, what is right or what is wrong. And I believe that scripture should inform that. I believe that scripture will fundamental has informed western morality and should continue. Okay. Um, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. This will be the last question. Anyone disagree? All right. You got a Hillsdale shirt on, man. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, I then we'll do one more disagreement. Yeah. I'm a sophomore in high school. I attend the Academy of Classical Christian Studies in Oklahoma City. And I just had one question. I have an Oklahoma history teacher who's been trying to tell me in our class that we should feel guilty for what our ancestors did. How would you respond to that? Well, is this is at a classical school? Is it a Hillsdale school? No, it's it's not doesn't have anything to do with Hillsdale, but it's a private Christian classical. Stop going there. You should never feel guilty for something you didn't do. Very simple Christian principle, okay? That neither slave nor Greek nor Jew. We are all one in Jesus Christ. You are not responsible for your father's sins. You're not responsible for your grandfather's sins. You and you alone have to atone in front of the seat of Jesus Christ in eternity. This is a Christian principle that gets distilled in. You should not have to apologize to somebody just because you look like that somebody. Nor should you be given favor because somebody did something very good aund years ago. Yes. And also, may I have my books? Yes.