Charlie Kirk Confronts Anti-Israel Students on Campus: The Truth About Hamas, Gaza, and the Reality of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Okay. Again, in closing, I closing in we agreed to >> if Israel dropped down all their weapons, what would happen? >> I I I believe Hamas will drop down and we'll leave in peace. >> What religion was Jesus? What did he believe? >> Uh, yeah. Well, obviously he's Jew, but >> Oh, modern day Judaism is >> Hold on. Hold on. Time out. Time out. Time out. No, no, no. Where was Jesus born? >> Why does that matter? Well, do you know >> what does it matter? >> It does matter. You know why? Because when I went to Israel, I came in contact with the living God that walked on water and rose Lazarus from the dead. When I went to Israel, I saw the Bible come to life. When I went to Israel, I saw Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Sarah, Rebecca, and Leia in the hall of the patriarchs. When I went to Israel, what I read as Bible stories popped open, and I said, "This is the word of God. This is real. These are not fairy tales or fables or things that we tell our kids. It says in Genesis and Romans and first first Thessalonians, Paul said, "You will bless the Jews. If you bless Israel, you will be blessed. If you scorn Israel, you will be scorned." So, who ran Gaza up until 2005? >> Same thing. >> No, Israel did. Israel used to occupy the Gaza Strip. 10,000 Jews left Gaza. The IDF totally withdrew. Why did Israel do that? You tell me. You're the one at the table >> to pursue peace because they they were promised a peace deal if they got out of Gaza. >> And then >> then Hamas took over as mayor of Gaza and it's now a hot tub for terrorists where there are thousands of rockets every single month. >> Where was the peace that happened after they withdrew? >> Exactly. Israel signed a peace accord and the PA violated it. >> But >> so so this is the way peace >> occupying territory. >> They weren't occupying. They got out. >> But you just said Israel occupied that territory. Correct. >> Until they got out. So that's not >> No, no, but they got out on a condition of peace. So they said, "We will get our 10,000 Jews out of Gaza." So 10,000 Jews used to live in Gaza. >> Um like recognized that they were occupying someone's territory and that's un >> Well, so so who who is Gaza's territory? Who's is that? >> That it's >> Egypt. It's been it's been Egypt for 2,000 years. Okay. So how so since you're you understand this maybe um how did Israel win back that territory? >> Sinai deal, >> right? So, in the 1967 war, they pushed back Egypt all the way to their borders. And so, they they gave out the Sinai desert in pursuit of peace of Egypt. That worked. >> So, then they kept the occupation of Gaza, which there's factories and rolling hills and vineyards, a lot of wealth there. There's 2 million people that live in Gaza, more or less. >> 10,000 Jews lived on the eastern skirt of Gaza. So, in pursuit of peace, in the 2005 peace talks, Israel said, "You know what? We want peace in as a condition. We'll get out. If you guys have real peace with us, stop launching rockets, stop building terror tunnels, stop killing our children, all these sorts of things. Are you pro Hezbollah or >> Can I ask a question? >> Sure, happy to. >> What formal education do you have? >> Plenty. >> I mean, formal education does >> if if you're going to argue if you're going to argue from authority. That's a logical fallacy. Tell me why I'm wrong. Don't tell me how many degrees you have. >> Don't ask me to change a conversation. I'm actually I would I would argue I'm more informed because I didn't go to college and I've traveled the world and I've met with world leaders and I've read many books. So tell me a lot of minorities that you met around the world. >> How am I oppressive? Can you name one example of how I'm oppressive? >> I can name a lot of examples. >> Can you name one? Name one example of how I'm oppressive cuz you just said it. >> Literally here telling people that they are wrong about using >> Well, no. They just don't have facts. Can you tell me one time that I've been wrong about anything I've said? Tell me a time that Israel has launched an offensive war. >> It's Lebanon. >> They didn't. They're attacking Hezbollah. That would say it's within their borders. >> It was to Lebanon. They don't just attack. >> Hezbollah occupies southern Lebanon which is Iranian funded, is it not? >> Really? I had no idea. Thank you for informing me. >> Anytime. Maybe if you didn't go to college, you would learn more. >> Oh, you're so right. You're so right. >> Here's the thing. But like IF is a terrorist organization. >> How is the IDF is a terrorist organ? >> Yeah. No, according to a lot of people. >> Wait, hold on a second. The IDF >> got me. But like a lot of countries around >> Why is it that they haven't built a new school or hospital in the last 5 years? Hundreds of millions of dollars pour into Gaza. It's because Hamas runs Gaza right now and they're a terrorist organization. So, Israel got out of Gaza in 2005 in the pursuit of peace. 10,000 Jews were actually forced out of their homes in the pursuit of peace. Gaza got more dangerous. It became a hot tub for terrorists. You know where Hamas's money is being spent on terror tunnels and rockets being shot towards Tel Aviv. Where were those two rockets shot two weeks ago? Out of They were shot out of Gaza. Yeah, two rockets. Oh, what's the big deal? Yeah. Who cares when Jews have rockets shot at them, right? Because Israel is is fighting a defensive right for its own national sovereignty. All Israel has done since 1967 is go backwards. All Israel has done. >> The UN sent a Asian diplomat, I forget his name exactly what it was, to go investigate crimes against humanity in Gaza. Israel did not allow him to enter Gaza because they said his visa wasn't valid. And that was published in an Israeli newspap. >> Okay. So, I'll have to look into that. If that's the case, then I'll I'll say that you're correct. Um, but here's the question though. So, Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East right now. They're practicing democracy. Muslims, Jews, and Christians, >> Israeli citizens vote in the upcoming elections then. >> Well, they they can hold on a second. Oh, first of all, many Palestinians in Palestinian authority that is in zone B, not zone A, can vote in elections. >> Secondly, Secondly, here's the question. Do you want So, you want them to be able to vote both in PA elections and Israeli elections? Why hasn't the PA had an election in 12 years? Mahmud Abbas is a dictator of the PA that uses the money and the aid that we give him to enrich himself. Mahmud Abbas. Hold on a second. Palestinian. >> Hold on. I thought he was democratically elected. So why don't you guys have students against the Palestinian Authority, not students against Israel. The Palestinian Authority. >> The Palestinian Authority is guns against Palestinian children. >> Oh, I I Palestinian Authority was democratically elected 12 years ago. Makmoud Abbas has not had any checks and measures against him. in Nablas. He lives in a 25,000 square foot mansion. Here here's the bottom line is that >> Arabs are better served under an Israeli government than under the Palestinian Authority government. Arabs are >> in the ground. >> I'm sorry. What? >> When Wait, wait. I'm sorry. What? >> When they're in the ground dead. That's where a majority of Palestinians end up. >> What are you? A majority of Palestinians end up dead. How dare you say something like that? >> There's 15 and a half million people that live in the Palestinian Authority. Half of them end up dead. and half million. >> You're trying to tell me that 7 and a half million Palestinians have been killed. >> Is that what you're trying to say? >> 7 and a2 million live in That's I've never seen that number. >> Well, it's actually 50 and a half million is if you count the PA and Israel together. You're right. It's more like it's more of 6 million in Palestinian Authority. 9 and a half million in Israel proper. So, it's about 15 combined. So, 6 mill So, you're trying to tell me 3 million people have been killed. 3 million people have been killed by the IDF. That's not even close to being true. So, let me let me ask >> there's a difference. Listen to me. Listen to me. There's a difference between Zionism and anti-semitism. Then build build out that build that out for me. >> You don't support the state of Israel doesn't mean >> so let me get this straight. You you don't hate Jews. You just hate the Jews right to exist in their homeland. >> You're not even Jewish. You can't speak. >> Wait, hold on a second. That's a >> You're not black. You want me to exist? >> Yeah, exactly. So that's one of the worst identity politics argument. Just because I'm not something, it doesn't make me wrong. >> It's a part state of Israel. >> That's not That's not in line with conservative politics. >> How how so? Because there is no separation of church and state. >> Then why then why can let me ask you a question. Why can Christians freely practice their religion in Israel? >> But Jews can't freely practice their religion of Palestinian authority. >> How are Jews noticing? >> What happens if an Israeli citizen goes into a Bethlehem? What happens? >> What happens if a Jew goes into Bethlehem? >> When a Muslim if a Muslim goes into Jerusalem, they can go to a mosque. That's what happens. Do you know what happens at Laka? >> Alaska mosque. >> People are turned away because they can't pray in their own place. >> Well, hold on a second. They have full access to Alaska. >> I was there myself. I was around 500 Muslims on the Alahaskam. Hold on a second. Jews heads are cut off in Hebrron. If they go to Hebrron, Jews and Israelis are not allowed in Palestinian authorities. >> He was so I I was in Hebrron 3 weeks ago. You know what happened? If a Jew go if if a Jew goes to Hebrron, their head will get cut off. Okay, so Jews are not allowed on the Temple Mount. You do know that, right? >> No, I'm saying Palestinians, Muslims going into Ala, >> right? So that's very hotly debated. >> No, actually when I was there, I was praying at Alaka and I saw is IDF soldiers coming in while I was praying. >> Did they stop you? Did they stop you from praying? >> They they throw like tear grass. >> No, they don't. Not alakar. Did they stop you from praying? I shouldn't be in fear while I >> But they don't do what you you say they're doing. I'm just telling you it's not true. Did they >> But I I I don't think you're representing reality. >> I was literally there. >> So, let me ask a question. She wasn't there. That wasn't happening. She understood that it was happening in other times around that moment. >> I I was there. You You should not be able to prove your religion. You should be able if a Muslim >> Okay, that's a really interesting point. So Jews should be allowed on the Temple Mount >> cuz the Muslims don't allow them on the Temple Mount right now. So Jordanian control the Temple Mount. >> It was since the Prophet Muhammad. It was it was it was there since the prophet Muhammad. >> Okay. So do you think Here's the thing. So you think do you think Jews should be allowed on the Temple Mount? >> It's it's a >> So you don't think it's a Temple Mount? Cuz if you do, that's the very interesting thing. If you just say it's the Temple Mount, I I'm putting you in a admittedly in a very difficult position because Muslims do not recognize it as the Temple Mount, >> right? They recognize it as their place of worship and it's been that way since the beginning. >> No, it's been the Temple Mount since King David. Thank you very much. So, I mean, you could say whatever you wanted to say. >> It's a huge point. It's actually like it's one of the biggest inhibitions of peace. I think that Jews and Muslims and Christians should all be allowed to go to the Temple Mount. Right now, Muslims do not allow Jews to go into the Temple Mount. One rabbi is allowed to go in once a year. That's it. That's that that's the treaty. Why is that? It's that How is that fair? Why are Jews not allowed to go? But it's I mean Muslims are allowed to go to their holy sites. You just said you were allowed to go. >> Okay. But people doesn't mean that other people aren't allowed to go. >> And if if that's the case, then I'll totally denounce it. But you you are a living example that you were allowed to go. So >> thank you. Hello. Um I wanted to talk to you about Palestine versus Israel. And um I'm a Jordanian Christian, but I was born in this country. I'm a proud American. But I wanted to know how you can defend our country funding billions of dollars into a foreign government aiding genocide. >> So do you mean the money that we send to the Palestinian Authority? >> No, the the ones that we sent to the IDF. >> Okay. So you know we spend money to the Palestinian Authority as well, right? >> Um >> yeah, billions. >> Okay. How like >> we give them cash? >> We give them I know you guys claim to give them uh care packages and stuff like that, but why are we still defending the IDF? No, I want to make sure we're morally consistent. So, do you agree that we should cut money off to both Israel and the Palestinian Authority? Okay. Cut off to both. Okay. All right. So, you're from Jordan >> and so you know the region very well. >> If you look at the Palestinian Authority, let's just take Lebanon. Okay. Versus Israel. Which country is more moral or a better place for people to live? >> Wait, why? Okay. First, why is that a question? If it's a foreign land, why are we the ones dictating? >> No, no, no. We have to get our moral we have to get our moral symmetry right and then we could determine foreign foreign aid >> again in the Middle East because for whatever reason a country the size of New Jersey >> with half the world's Jews >> gets all the attention of campus activists. >> Yes. >> And so yet there civil wars in Africa the slaughter of Drews in Syria from the annexation of Armenia from Azerbaijan gets no campus energy. So, I just want to understand, just so we're morally clear, where is the best place for a woman such as yourself to live? In Tel Aviv, or in Beirut, Damascus, Aman, or Cairo? Where is it better for a woman to live in the Middle East? >> I've been to many of these locations, and I just want to let you know that that's an unfair question because by us funding Israel, they are bombing Lebanon. >> No, no, no. We'll get there. I just want to know based on the laws and the customs that Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the country you're not born in, but that you have ancestry from, Egypt, all have, where is it better for women to live? In those four places or in Tel Aviv? >> That is again, no. No, that's very hard to say. Again, because >> have any of those four countries ever had a female prime minister? >> Why would that matter? >> Because Israel has. >> Yes. But >> because I find it interesting that the camp I'm not saying you're on the left, but campus activists are always about women's rights and women's empowerment. that the only country that has actually ever done that in the Middle East is Israel, interestingly enough. But I mean, let me just ask this. Do you think Israel is the good guy in this equation and the other countries are not so good? How would you mark the moral grade here? >> I I believe Israel is the bad guy. They're using religion as an excuse to take over land. It's a government. Zionism is not Judaism. >> So, and then what exactly is is Islam doing then? >> Well, that's why you got Okay. No, like Okay. uh Islam versus Judaism. That's what the Western media believes is happening. That Jews are fighting Muslims, which is not true. It's a government fighting over another government for land and they're using religion as an excuse. Why are the IDF soldiers fighting Christian people during Easter? They're not allowing them to take go into church. >> Actually, that's not true. So, let's talk about that. That that's a lie. What What happened on Easter in Israel? >> They were not allowing the >> What was unique about this Easter? >> What do you mean? What was going to do to come up? like people wanted to worship through >> Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Easter all fell on the same day. >> So therefore, there was a huge surge of Christians to the holy church of the holy supplr of which if you ever been to the holy supplr, they fight over every square inch of that place. So the IDF came in to actually protect the church of the holy supplr and make sure that all these Christians don't start tearing their head hair out on the holy day. Just so we're clear. >> If the Oh, sorry. I don't mean to. >> No, I just you are actually believeing the Arab press in the Middle East where no one is being denied access to holy sites. And I do have to wonder, so you're a Christian. You know that you know the area well. Do you feel safe as a Christian? You're a Christian, right? Going to Bethlehem. >> Yes, we are Christians. >> But do you know who controls Bethlehem? >> Who? >> The Arab Muslims control Bethlehem. >> And when have they stopped Christians from going >> all the time? Oh my goodness. It's incredibly dangerous. >> Is arguing about this, but no. You guys are all believing things that you see all over Tik Tok. Like >> No, no, no. >> A lot of people are like, you say I'm I'm believing Arab media, but a lot of people are believing Western media. Don't you think it's possible for both sides to be lied to? >> The Western media is very anti-Israel. For the record, let's let's do one final thought experiment, then we could talk about money. If Israel laid down all of its weapons, what would happen? >> If Israel laid down all of its weapons, >> okay, they are committing a genocide and and wait, >> how dare you say I got to put What is a genocide? >> A genocide is when you are are taking over a land and killing the people senselessly. Just >> Was October 7th a genocide? Uh, >> okay. >> Answer the question. When when 1300 Jews were killed in their homes, kabutzes, and a music festival, was that a genocide? >> No. Because No, no, no, no. >> By your own definition, it is. >> It was a terrorist act. But it was a terrorist act. But this was all planned by the governments. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. >> No. No. You got to tell me. Why was October 7th not a genocide? But what Israel is doing is a genocide. >> Israel has the Iron Dome. Why? They could have easily protected the festival. They could have easily protected their people, but they let they let this Hamas this little >> They let them in. >> They let them in on purpose. Yes. >> Really? So, you think the Israeli government allowed Hamas terrorists to come and kill 1300 innocent civilians, take hostages, and go into kabuts? >> They needed an excuse to do that to the Palestinians. >> What is your evidence of this claim? >> Why are they They claim to want Hamas. They claim to want >> No, no. What is your evidence that Israel would butcher 1300 of its own 1300 of its own people, the worst killing of Jews since the Holocaust? What is your evidence of that? >> Look, I don't want to sound rude or or offensive towards you, but I'm explaining throughout the news. Why is again, they have the Iron Dome. They have No, no, no. They have billions of dollars in defense. They have millions of dollars in military and they could they have the power to stop. They allowed the the Hamas group to go in. >> There is no evidence to your claim. They penetrated. >> No evidence to your claim. >> No, hold on a sec. Hold on a second. What? Let's talk about how much you know about this. What was special about October 7th? What was the holy day in Judaism? Okay. Um, I don't want to misspeak. That's the thing. >> It's called Shamatra, which is like the third holiest day in Judaism. So, like half the country takes off. Think about like Christmas and Easter combined times two. What else? What day of the week was it when it happened? >> Oh, again? >> No, no, it's very important. What day of the week? >> May you answer, please? >> What day of the week? >> Again, >> Saturday. What happens on Saturdays in Israel? >> Where? >> It's Shabbat. The whole country goes to rest. 95% of the country takes off. They have a holy day and they have Shabbat. The IDF. Yes. They took it easy. And so what your belief is that no that they weren't necessarily celebrating their holy day and that they were on Shabbat, but the Israeli government allowed terrorists to come and kill their own people. You have to give credit to governments. You think that the government wants to protect its people. They will sacrifice the people for the great like for the greater good. You're giving way too much power to like allowing the government to do like >> No, you have to prove these claims. Like I want you >> Well, I know that I came here to hear your opinion on how you can defend Israel. I didn't come to argue because I know I don't have the information to tell you right now. I just got out of class. But I do want to hear your opinion, please. Like I wanted to hear. >> It's very simple. Israel is not defend Israel is not a perfect country. But for whatever reason, the obsession about where half the world's Jews live, which happens to be a small outpost of freedom and liberty with lots of problems surrounded by literally a billion Muslims. That this is our number one focus geopolitically. That people use the word genocide. And you won't use the word genocide when Jews are killed, but you do use the word genocide when Palestinians are killed. Shows the moral confusion on this topic. And would you say what's happening in Armenia right now is a genocide. >> Look, you are very good at like at doing this, but I want to explain to you look I want to explain to you um my my side. Okay. You still didn't answer my question in the like the original question. How can you defend our government sending billions of dollars to a foreign government? Like >> yes. Okay. So we both agreed both should be cut off. You you believe all foreign aid should be cut off. >> We should not be involved in other countries. No. >> Period. Okay. So So you believe in America only? >> Yes. I want our country to succeed. We should be spending the billions on Americans. >> So I believe we should limit a lot of foreign aid. I don't believe in America only. Was it a good thing that America got involved in World War II? >> Uh wait, what? Sorry. >> Was it a good thing that America got involved in World War II? >> Uh >> I honestly just wanted to hear your opinion cuz it's an important moral question cuz you say no foreign aid. Was it good that we got involved in World War II? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. So, you're not America only. In fact, you're okay with America sent We sent a >> You think that the Jews are in trouble when they're not? They're bombing the Zionist, the IDF, so are bombing hospitals. They're bombing schools. They're not bombing places. >> The again, there's so much wrong here, but where where does the where does Hamas actually keep their weapons? >> I'm sorry, they're being loud. I can't hear you. >> Okay, I won't even get into that. So, Israel p if Hamas laid down all of its weapons, what would happen >> if both sides lay or just Hamas? >> Let's say just Hamas. >> Hamas doesn't have like they don't have the weapons that Israel. So, if if they have if they don't have is no >> guys you're you're not you're not debating, please. Okay. >> Um I'm sorry. What would >> It's okay. I just >> I'm not I encourage you to think deep. I'm not No, you're not being I don't care. You can say whatever you want to me. I don't care. You could I want you to think deeply about this. Yes. Because there is a moral confusion happening in the West when it comes to Israel. No one is saying they're perfect. I'm sick and tired of talking about Israel all the time. I happen to be a Christian that loves Israel and actually cares about the fact that I was able to go to Capernaum where Jesus walked on the water, see where Jesus rose from the dead to go to Hebron. Let me finish. That I was able to go to the holy sites and to be able to walk the streets of the old city. I actually appreciate that. >> Thank God. So have I. But I'm explaining to you the difference. I'm sorry. No, it's but when Muslims take over countries, Christians are not able to always easily navigate or visit them. That is a fact of life. And the final thing is this is that is it Israel's values or is it Hamas's values that are a closer fit to the West? And it's not even close. Israel is a small outpost of civilization in a endless ocean of tyranny. You don't have to love Israel. You don't have to wear the flag. You don't even have to support sending it money. But e at the very least, you must at least have the moral clarity and the integrity to say they're not the enemy here. They're defending themselves and they have a right to exist and a right to be able to broker this war as a war of self-defense as they choose. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Are you >> I just wanted to u get your opinion on the funding of Apac and the alleged buying out of the US Congress especially with everything going on overseas and the highly criticized and debated like two-party state between Israel and the Palestinian people. >> Uh my my opinion of Apac >> are your how would you curb or resolve the issue? Not just Apac. We have our own domestic issues, but they're coming in and earning $28 billion for their donation of 43 and a half to the US Congress. So, our foreign like our proxies and our donations to Ukraine and the state of Israel. >> So, how would how would I curb that? I mean, well, look, understand APAC is constituted of Americans that are advocating for a foreign policy thing they care about. >> And it's it's a very dangerous road to be on. There are groups of Armenians that advocate for you the recognition of the Armenian genocide. There are groups of American Indians that recognize for better relations with India. And it just so happens there are a lot of American Jews that argue for a very strong relationship with Israel. So can I better understand the question? So, how do you feel about America using Israel as a proxy and like the Apollo affair and Leavon affair and the Gulf Wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? >> Okay. There's a lot there. So, what how do I think of Israel as an ally? Is that what you're asking or >> as America using it as a proxy to keep a chokeold on the Middle East? >> Well, I I kind of reject the premise of that. I mean, I'm very pro-Israel. I don't think they're perfect. I think they do a lot that I wouldn't do and that I don't support, but >> I I don't know. I I would I would better argue that America that Israel is a complicated ally of the United States but very necessary in the Middle East. >> Yes. And why so? >> For many reasons. For military uh technology sharing, for data sharing, for also they're a free society in an island of totalitarianism. >> Yeah. So, a western power based on imperialism and imperialistic tendencies. >> Well, not necessarily. No. I mean, they're their own sovereign country with their own elections, their own country, right? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? >> I do. And I believe in a a two-party solution, but I don't believe two state I'm sorry, two-state solution, but I don't believe in the genocide and displacement of 1.7 million Palestinian people. Because if you advocate for life, you advocate for all. >> So So let's let's make sure we get our terms right. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but what is a genocide? >> Mass killing of people. >> Okay. >> Targeted targeted mass killing of people. >> Is that what Israel is doing? >> Yes, most definitely. >> How? So you're telling me >> hold on let's let's get back is >> did Hamas then commit a genocide on October 7th? >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me let me get there. Yes. >> Based on your Okay. So So both sides are committing genocide. >> But since 48 we have the partition plan of 1947. We have the transfer agreement in 1933. There's so much that built up to it. The Warsaw. >> Okay. So it's justified to go into nurseries and >> No, they didn't do that. Where's your >> Oh, no. No, they did. >> Okay. Okay. No, hold on. Time out. If you want to go crimes, then I can pull up a list of >> Where's the evidence? I can show you GoPro footage. >> I'll show you footage. >> Hold on a second. GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros going into rock concerts and indiscriminately women kidnapping them and bringing them back to Gaza. If you'd like to watch that footage, you can. But you said, so I need a clear answer. Just make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. So Hamas is guilty of genocide. >> Yeah. But correlating up. Do okay. Do you believe in This is off topic, but >> No, I'm I'm glad I'm glad you said yes. >> No. The Bill of Rights. Look, >> therefore the third and fourth amendment. Do you believe in them? >> Yes. The right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered, and the right to privacy. We can keep going. The right to fifth violating those for nearly the course of a 100 years. How would you feel if you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest when they were oppressed? >> Well, hold on a sec. So, >> first of all, the Second Amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States. So, not sure where you're going with that, but I want to make sure I'm let me just have you answer this final question. >> If a foreign power commits genocide against you, as you admit Hamas did, how should Israel respond? >> By Okay. Uh, >> no, but so, so, >> so look, I'm saying >> how should Israel respond? Genocide >> to defend themselves most definitely, but not to the extent they have done. It's killing 65,000 people for,200 in bombing civilian areas. 70% of their casualties are women and children. And the average age of a child in Gaza is 18 years old. >> So first of all, >> so where where are we drawing the line in the shade of gray between black and white? Who's right? Who's wrong? We don't know. >> Well, who started it? >> Israel, most definitely. >> Hold on. >> The ArabIsraeli war. >> Hold on a second. Time out. This has been on on October 6th, the day before. Was there an act of war? >> Yes. Prior. Why do you think there's a group of resistance living there when resistance? >> Okay. No, I I can So, so I just want to make sure I understand the argument >> that this has been a bubbling up conflict since the 1950s. >> It has been boil prior to the >> Let me ask you Let me answer you a question. Israel got out of Gaza in the early 2000s. Yes. >> Gave it to Hamas. >> But if they're still ruling over >> Why were they not able to create a nice place in Gaza? >> Because Israel is holding their materials and their right. It is illegal. >> So, do you do you see a through line here, guys? And it's important, though. It's always somebody else's fault. >> Don't speak over me, please. Willie, let me ask. >> Well, it actually is my deal, but that's fine. So, it is always somebody else's fault, right? So, >> I'm saying there's wrong on both sides, most definitely, but more on the side of Israel. It's it's unsanctioned and unreason for no reason. >> Well, give me the equation. I want to make sure I understand. >> You believe in an eye for an eye, right? >> Generally, but I will I just want to know the equation, though. >> So, this is politics. They can negotiate. We can release prisoners. We can embark. Okay. Yeah. As going on. >> And you admit Hamas uses civilians as human shields? >> Absolutely not. I believe Israel does and I have video footage of it. >> I it it it's it's difficult to debate if you're just on a completely different fact pattern. So, let me just >> I I will give you readings and videos. I see videos every day. I have family there. I see them literally get torn and ripped to shreds by Israeli missiles and them killing kids and animals in the street and fun and laughing and they post their own none of none of those missiles >> they do regardless prior to October >> a soldier a soldier me versus you if you're walking in the street with your family and I shoot you and post it on TikTok and laugh. Is that not a war crime? >> That's what Hamas did. No, that's what Israel is doing. >> I will not defend everything that every soldier has done. But I do I do I want to have one final question which I think is important. If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen? >> I at this point in time, I don't believe they would come to a two-state solution after everything that's gone on. >> No, that wasn't the question. Prior to >> if Israel disbanded its military, >> what would happen? >> The Palestinians would take over, but they would let the Listen, listen, listen. Not forcefully. This is the this is how they operate. This is how Muslims operate Islamically. They let them live under them in Jiz. They tax them and they let them live and they take that tax and give it back to them. >> How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked and lasted 600 years? How do you think the golden age of Islam lasted and it lasted for 300 years? >> This is history. >> So, no, I I just want to make sure I understand. So, they would just uh take over mostly peacefully. >> No, most definitely peacefully because that's what >> Can you show me an example of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule? >> Most definitely. >> Where? when the uh Hamas had Israeli captives. Have you seen the >> the Israeli captives? They killed. >> They're not killed. >> There was a nine-month old baby that just got returned home in a as a corpse by Hamas. No, but I I I am interested by what you're saying. So, it's very again, this this is why it's important on this topic to stay on the moral domain because all of your numbers are wrong. 65,000 kids have not died. And >> I didn't say 65,000 kids. I said 65,000 Palestinians and 1.7 million have been displaced creating one of the largest >> refugees. None of that is correct and that's okay. It's fraction. I don't believe in the numbers. However, the point is this. If Israel laid down its weapons, >> yes, >> they would be eliminated. >> No, they would not. >> You would just admit it. They would take over Israel. >> Now, when I say take over, >> if Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace. >> Most definitely not. >> The Israelis would the Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing. They have the right to resistance. >> A ceasefire. They have a ceasefire currently but prior to that when anyone else in the world >> I I I the emotions of this topic are very high. Obviously my allegiance is first and foremost to America. I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint though >> which is why is it help me understand >> there are well over 40 Muslim majority countries in the world over a billion Muslims. Israel is the size of New Jersey >> and it has half the world's world's jewelry about 7 million people. Why is Why can't you just just let Israel exist and leave it alone? Why the focus? Why the intensity? Why the anger? >> There's no anger. >> There's no anger. >> Not not from me. I'm talking about maybe other people. I don't hate anyone. I'm not displeased with anyone. But I don't believe in the unnecessary killing of people. That's not how we were raised. >> I agree. >> That's an American value and a conservative value. >> I I agree. That's why I think October 7th was the beginning of the unraveling of a lot of decency and conflict. But what do you think about all that spilling over prior? It's the same with the American Revolution. I reject the premise before. You reject the premise. >> I reject the I mean to say that they had no choice but to go and a bunch of babies. Let me let me actually challenge the point. >> If you were correct. >> Yes. >> And Hamas was trying to resist. Why didn't they go attack military targets and instead they attacked civilian targets? >> That's what terrorists do, right? So if if it was really like, hey, they wanted to resist, they should have went after IDF outposts and picked a fight with somebody their own size. They went after little kids in nurseries in kabutzes. And I'm I think you have a moral right. Hold on. You're very well read on this topic. You have family there. I think you have a moral obligation to watch the GoPro videos. They're public. >> I've w I've seen I will show you footage every day coming out of Gaza. >> I've seen what you see. But you eat. No, I'm talking what I've seen. Cuz then you wouldn't talk this way. >> No, no. I I I've I've seen what you've seen. But I want you to look at the guys that for 3 hours straight watching GoPro videos laughing putting babies in. >> Okay, show it to me or send me the >> Yeah, I'm happy to. And the fact you don't even know it exists is very telling because that's why Israel has become so aggressive in return. And understand the background. >> Yes. >> Is that the Jewish people have still not repopulated themselves to the pre-Nazi Holocaust levels. How many people do you think died in the Holocaust? >> How many people do you think died in the Holocaust? >> That's why I'm asking. There's I get so many different options. >> 7 to 8 million is usually the number. >> 7 to 8 million. I've seen six. I've seen two. I've seen three. >> Okay. So, what number do you believe? And why does it matter? >> Did I live back then? That's 1940, 1930s and 40s. >> Does it matter? >> No. I mean, regardless, it's a massive killing of them. But I don't. >> Is the Holocaust real? >> How? Yeah, of course the Holocaust then. >> But how can you say they haven't repopulated to those times? How do you know? record of the death. >> Well, yeah, there there there is a record of of the death and so we know how many Jews that there were in the country and in Europe and they have not yet been able to repopulate to those same equivalent numbers >> coming back. So I look I think we don't agree on anything and that's okay. Um I would love to see an end to the killing. However, there needs to be three let me ask you my three-part question. Okay. Do you believe anti-semitism is real, wrong, and evil? >> I believe it is wrong and I believe it exists and I believe it's evil. Yes, good. And Israel is right to exist. Well, it's it's a super easy three-point question. >> Let me pause right there and ask you, >> what defines a semi? >> A semi. >> And when did the term come about? >> Well, a semite, >> yes, >> comes from somebody from the Samaritan region, right? >> Seemetic peoples, which consists of >> I could have finished the, you know, answer, >> but yes, from the Samaritan region. That is a term that has largely been popularized in the last 1500s. So, let me let me be more specific. Anti-Jewish hatred. Is that fair? Yes. That's >> that's evil wrong. Okay. Israel has a right to exist. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Good. And that since we posit that Israel has a right to exist that we need to come up with some solution where all people can live peacefully in the >> state solution. >> Okay. Or a one-state solution or a three-state solution. Right. >> Okay. Then why can't they if it's a one-state solution, why can't they live under the Palestinians peacefully >> like they did previously? exist. >> I I I I I won't speak on behalf of Israel, but if a group of people go and murder 1,200 of your own people for no reason, I don't think I'm going to give them the keys to Jerusalem. >> Okay, >> that's fine. >> Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. Thank you. >> But it seems Do you agree Iran's an evil? >> I think that Saudi I think Well, my point >> Oh, the little hesitancy. Is Iran and Saudi Arabia both enemies of the West? >> Uh no, I don't I don't think at all. >> Wow. So Iran funding Hamas and Hezbollah is what? Would you say that? Good. I think that um >> Iran is the number one terrorist fun. >> I think the Palestinian people and the Lebanese people have the right to defend themselves from Israel. >> Hamas is not defending themselves. They're a terrorist organization targeting Jews launching rockets into this nation state of Israel every single day. >> Sorry. Hamas is not pal Palestinian. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations that are committed to the complete and total destruction of the rightful nation state of Israel. >> That's completely untrue. Hamas Hamas were there. Hamas has repeatedly expressed acceptance of the two-state solution on the June. >> Okay. Well, the terrorism that Hamas and Hespa are responsible responsible for pales in comparison with the terrorism that Israel and the United States carry out on a regular basis. Can I ask a question? >> And furthermore, you say you're you say you're against wealth redistribution. So, what do you think about billions of dollars of American taxpayers money going to Israel? >> They buy US weapons. There's not direct aid. Let me ask you a question. What happens to the families of terrorists in Palestine? Let's say there's a suicide bomber in the streets of Jerusalem. Did you know that there's a pay for slave policy where Palestinian families get a check every single month if they kill Jews? Did you know that that the Palestinian Authority >> Palestinian Authority >> which Hamas has governed under because Israel in the pursuit of peace retreated from Hamas? What did Israel give up Hamas yesterday? >> The Palestinian Authority governs the West Bank. >> What happened to the Gaza Strip? Did Israel used to occupy it? True or false? >> Israel continues to occupy Gaza. >> It's controlled by the terrorist state of Hamas. It used to be functioning factories. It used to be rolling hills and vineyards and the Hamas the terrorists took it over. >> That's completely untrue. >> And build terror tunnels and launch rockets. Hamas Hamas >> as soon as as soon as Hamas was democratically elected, Israel immediately imposed a crippling blockade. >> Hamas is an international prescribed terror organization. Hamas is an international prescribed terror organization. Hamas is an internationally prescribed terror organization. >> No, it's not actually. It's prescribed. It's prescribed by a handful of Western countries which is >> including the one that you're in. Yeah, I agree. But I I don't I'm >> intelligence agencies which are designed to serve the people of this country in America have prescribed mass. That should raise some serious questions in your head as to whether or not you should be supporting. >> Well, I don't I don't place limited faith in the intelligence services who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. >> Okay. Well, that's a completely separate topic of conversation. U weapons. You're defending the intelligence services. >> That were UN weapons inspectors. Was Iraq who said they had mass weapons of mass destruction. >> The UN weapons inspectors. No, they didn't. Yes, they did. The UN weapons inspector said Iraq did not have WNB. So you're supporting the head of the US weapons inspector. >> So you say you're in favor of limited government but you support the invasion of Iraq. >> No, we're not even talking about that. We're talking about Hamas. Okay. You have just voiced support for Hamas and Hisbah. >> No, I haven't. >> Yes, you have. No, I haven't. Are they a terrorist organization? Yes or no? >> Yes, they've carried out acts of terror, but some videos of the acts of terror that they carried out pale in comparison with the acts of terror that Israel and the United States. Tell me why the PA fund gives money to the terrorist. >> I don't support the PA. I've never >> You support Iran or >> No, I support human beings who are struggling for their rights. >> You should hate Iran cuz Iran murders human beings that are gay and they throw them off the top of buildings. You should hate Iran. >> Yeah, I I don't support the Iranian government, but neither do I support Saudi Arabia, which is supported by the West. >> We actually don't support Saudi that much either here. So, >> one argument against >> Okay. And I also don't support a war against Iran, which you guys seem to. >> Well, we do support sanctions and not sending them billions of dollars. >> Which is not limited government, by the way. >> Is hang. Who would who who so in in in the in the >> when when the when the president of Iran comes out and says, I want to wipe Israel off the map. >> He doesn't actually say that. The Ayat said that actually said that. >> Sorry. If you look at his statement >> the American flag is regular difference between rhetoric and action there's all sorts of inflammatory rhetoric including >> so we just had to say two two quick things first of all kamei the head of Iranian's theocratic construction essentially part of government and the former president Akad said death to Israel death to the west death to America multiple times how do they act on it because you said it's just words they give billions to Hamas they give billions to Hezbollah. They support the bombing of Israeli children. They give money to PA that funds and incentivizes terrorist behavior. They refuse to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah any time under UN resolutions ever. They refuse to ever vote and say this is wrong. They refu they actually fund BDS resolutions all across the world. They're outwardly anti-semitic, not to mention outwardly anti-gay, anti-Christian, anti-Western. And finally, why does Iran want nuclear weapons so bad? Why? because they want to act on their words to destroy Israel, destroy the West, destroy America. Iran is the fundamentally biggest and most sinister evil of everybody in this room. And if you have sympathy for it, I wonder why. >> Okay, so the How are you, Charlie? >> Yes, big fan, by the way. Absolutely love you. I agree with mostly everything you say except for one thing. Uh, I don't agree with your overwhelming support for Israel and I have a Christian argument for you about it. My issue with it is that Israel helps funds Turkey military sells them missiles that end up killing Armenian Armenian citizens. How do you justify that as a Jewish nation is helping another another country eliminate a Christian race? >> So, I don't support that. But we have a deeper problem with Turkey beyond Israel. Turkeyy's part of NATO. >> Yes. >> So we give them money. >> Yes. >> So it's not an Israel problem. That's an America problem. Right. >> I agree. >> So if your argument is against which I'm no fan of Turkey and I acknowledge the Armenian genocide for the record. Yes. Uh which get a lot of people get mad about, but I I would put Israel aside to that for a second because the arms they're selling are repurposed American arms usually. >> We I don't know why Turkey should be part of NATO. >> I think Turkey should be kicked out of NATO for what they did to the Armenians. And they don't offer anything to America. Nothing. and Erdogan is a very very bad guy who's becoming an Islamic dictator of a failing country. So I think it's an American problem. So I would put Israel aside in that. >> But Israel also does sell them military aid. >> So do so do we? >> Yes. But >> so it's a it's I we are the root cause of that. Right. >> Mhm. Okay. And then my second part of my question is how does I US uh gives a lot of benefits to Israel? How does Israel benefit us as a partner? >> Well, first and foremost, you're a Christian. Yes. >> How do we know the Bible is true? >> From the land of Israel. Palestine. >> Uh, that's not Palestine. >> You want me to put British-P Palestine? Does that help? >> Well, as a Christian, so are you Armenian Christian? >> No, I'm I'm actually Palestinian. >> Okay. So, uh, so what what And you're Christian? >> Yes, I'm a Christian. >> Okay. Well, praise God. Um, I'm thrilled to hear that. So, but I think you can acknowledge that we as Christians have to honor the Jews. Do you believe that? >> Um, I think we should honor everyone. People are people at the end of the day. >> But in our scriptures, it does say that we should bless the Jews, that, you know, Genesis 12:3, bless those I will bless those descendants that bless me, and we have a covenant with Israel. Do do you share that as a Christian, that belief? >> I think how I interpret that is that like at the end of the day, like we're all people. We should all be respecting honor others. we should not be uh hating our neighbor. I don't know if that was me. Uh hating our neighbor, you know what I mean? >> I agree. >> So I I guess you can like take it to the context of specifically talking about Jews, but I take it in the context of talking about everyone as a people, the entire nation. At that time when the Bible was written, there weren't and how many countries? You know what I mean? >> Yes and no. I mean, it does Paul explicitly says that we should bless the Jews and from it, you know, we should honor the Jews. We're not going to agree on that. But so you say you're Palestinian. >> That's great. Um do you think Israel has a right to exist? >> Of course. >> Okay, then we can agree. >> Yeah, >> that's a big statement. Um do you think that anti-semitism is real? >> Of course. >> Okay, great. Then I I really don't have much to disagree with on with you on because the the major issue is does Israel have a rightful right to exist? I guess the question is what would you consider to be Israel? Well, how how do you feel about the fact that we provided aid to Israel to where they ended up literally leveling Gaza? >> Do you think our money was in good use to do that? >> Well, yes and no. I mean, the first question is why did Israel do that? It's because Hamas went and killed 1300 Jews on October 7th, unprompted, unprovoked, in the most horrendous way imaginable. And so, Israel was responding in a way that they would respond. Hamas invited that. And I guess the question I would have as a Christian, do you think that it's better for Christianity to have Israel controlled by Jews or Israel controlled by Muslims? What's better for Christianity? >> Okay, so my to I have a personal opinion on what I think would be more accurate. From my own personal experience, I've seen Muslims be more receptive to the Christian faith than Jews. That's my own personal experience. I have a personal opinion on what I think would be more accurate. From my own personal experience, I've seen Muslims be more receptive to the Christian faith than Jews. That's my own personal experience. But on top of that, there are not only in Israel, there are thousands of churches all throughout the Middle East and major Muslim controlled countries that have been preserved for thousands of years now that get funding. So, I don't think it's an argument on whether who would do it better because they've both been doing it for thousands of years now. >> Yeah. I mean, man, you you you can't walk the streets of Tran or, you know, Riad and say Jesus is Lord. >> Riad. >> So, >> you can say that in Riad. >> Yeah, >> you could say Jesus is Lord. >> You could say Jesus is a prophet. >> I've seen it personally. >> They they have evangelical churches in Riad. That's interesting. >> But you can say that >> you >> So part of my family I'll get to you next. >> So part of my family's recent family this Marin is from Tan. They're they're Iranian and they've been Christian Muslim. >> No, they are Christian. They're Armenian. Okay. They've lived in Tehran their entire life. There's a big community to them. They have churches that they go every single Sunday. They are proud of who they are. They wear their crosses out. Not a problem. But um let's let's go talk about like let's talk about Egypt, Syria, Jordan. They have thousands of churches there. They have a big they have big Christian faith over there. But they are Muslim majority countries and run by Muslims. And the churches are protected. >> I mean, look, I I don't want to You think the Coptic Christians have been treated well the last 10 years? I mean, come on, man. I mean it's there was a mass persecution of Christians over the last decade. They're leaving these countries. A lot of their heads are being cut off. I mean it's terrible. >> I agree. There's extremist Muslims. >> Yes. But I I would there there to the best argument you could make is that that Jesus is revered in Islam as a prophet but not the prophet. Right? That's the best argument you could make. But in practice, Islam is not compatible with open air Christianity. They want you to kind of at best stay in your corner. At the very least, there is mass persecution. We're just going to disagree on the role of Israel. I think that the Jews should have a right to their own homeland. >> And I think that I think that Muslims are able to have 40 Muslim majority countries. Why can't the Jews have one? >> No, I'm not disagreeing. >> No, then we then we agree on that. Then >> I want to run the gauntlet with Charlie Kirk, Israel, Palestine. >> Okay. >> So, >> let's go as fast as we can, though. Okay. >> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. So, you want to run the gauntlet. So, why don't you tell me what you believe on it? That's the best way to start. >> Well, I was actually I I was planning on starting I just want to confirm your belief. Your belief is um a one-state solution. Israel is that one state because Israel is the true indigenous people to that land and therefore they have a right to that land. >> I mean, I would say it's a little more complicated than that. Number one, I think Israel's existence is a miracle, not a mistake. the new the the new creation of Israel 194846. Number number two, Israel has a right to exist. And number three, its neighboring government structures are at best, let's just say annoyingly evil, at worst largely illegitimate. And so ma mainly the Palestinian Authority, but we could dive deeper into that. Of course, we would welcome a multi-state solution if they're actually acting like states, similar to Jordan or similar to Egypt, not as terrorist proxies. Not have to be too ideological on this topic. I am a Christian, so there is a theological undercurrent and element to it. But anyway, that's my position. And tell me yours. >> Yeah. So, I think my position is really I think the question starts off a lot of the time with does Israel have a right to exist? I reject that notion or I reject that premise of the convers I think Israel does exist. Israel has won the right to exist. The question should be and the focus should be does Palestine have a right to exist or at the very least does do the Palestinian people have a right to self-determination. >> Right. So let's pause there if that's okay. I don't mean to interrupt you. So what is Palestine? Who are Palestinians and what geography are they entitled to? >> Yeah. So the Palestinian people are the people that live in the land of Palestine. What is the land of Palestine? >> So tell me what is the land of Palestine? >> Okay, so the land of Palestine is the region between Egypt and Syria. It was described by Heroditus as pal Palestina and then it was derived off the term paliset which is part of the sea >> peoples. Heroditus was way way way after the creation of the nation of Israel. Right. So everything from Egypt to Syria that would in would that include >> no between Egypt and Syria between the Jordan River and >> let me let me list off a couple things. Does that include Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Hebrron, Capernaum? >> Yeah, all those areas. >> So So the modern state of Israel is what it incorporates. >> The geog Yeah. Israel is located on the geographical region of Palestine. >> So So just so we are clear, Palestinians, and we have to define who those people are. >> I'd love to do this. >> Yeah. Do they have a moral right to set up a government in Tel Aviv? in Tel A. I don't know. I don't think >> you're the one contesting it. So, tell me. >> So, I don't think so. I actually don't think right now I don't think that's where it's going to go. I think Israel I think Tel Aiv is the current core of the Israeli state right now. Um I think if any Palestinian state is going to be established, it's going to be, you know, based around Gaza, the territories in the West Bank. But I think uh what's it called? Sorry, I'm like hearing this at the same time. >> Yeah. So, but I want to I'm glad you brought this up because I think your position is that Palestin you you don't Palestinians as a people group, as an ethnic group. What do you think? You do you see them as a nation? >> I need you to tell me. Well, it depends. You need to tell me who they are and what does it incorporate? So, does every is every person in Jordan a Palestinian? >> No, not every person. >> Well, then okay, but who are the Palestinians? Because most of them are Jordanian refugees. >> So, the Palestinians are the people that lived in Palestine. I'm going to expand on that. Are you ready? So, the first people they're the people, the Canaanites thousands of years ago that mixed I I'm getting. Trust me, I'm smarter than you think about this. I'm not >> You got to go quicker. You're losing the audience. So >> So the already calling for another question. You got to go quicker. >> The Canaanites mixed in with other groups of people. The Palestinian Christians. Okay. The pe the first people to convert to to Christianity. Where were they? They were in the land of Israel, right? >> No, you're right. Israel, not Palestine. You're right. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. They were in the land of Israel. >> You just said it was Israel, not Palestine. >> Yeah, I know. I know. But listen. Okay. So those people, so they were the Jews and the indigenous people at that time, right, that converted. Okay. And there's still Christians in that land today, right? Decreasingly so. But yes, of course. >> Okay. So, aren't the Palestinian Christians the most indigenous to that region? >> Well, no, because the Jews predated them, right? I mean, the the land of Canaan or Judea and Samaria has been the Jews for well over 5,000 years. Well, yeah. Is 4,000 years. >> And so, again, the we can go all the way back to the Mesopotamians, but the most rightful claim to the land is that of the Jews. Let me go back to like one final question though. Let me let me understand. There are 45 plus Arab majority, Muslim majority countries in the world. Why does one Jewish majority country get so much attention including your advocacy? >> Yes. There's 20 plus bantto majority countries in Africa. Does that give the black Americans the right to go and return to their homeland and establish a state? No. Because when they did do that, when they tried to establish Liberia, they set themselves up as the ruling class. They pushed the indigenous Liberians into the interior and they eventually they got investigated for forced slavery practices. >> Disaster by President Monroe. I I I will acknowledge that. But that doesn't answer. I just want what would you consider to be a a resolution to what's happening in the region? We'll end with that. >> Okay. So I think Israel they should of course I don't think a future a peaceful future will exist with Hamas. >> So I think I >> credit to you that that's a morally clear statement. >> So I think Israel's focus should be on that for one destroying the tono networks getting the hostages back using their intelligence network that they used in all these decades to assassinate neo-Nazis on all different continents. They the Hamas leaderships in different countries. Focus on the leadership. Focus on unconventional means to take out Hamas. And then you know what? Work with the Palestinian Authority. It's corrupt. I will acknowledge you that. But you know what? It's better than the terrorists. >> I I I find very little to disagree with that. We'll have to take this discussion on at another time. Thank you very much. >> I would love >> Thank you. God bless, >> man. Thank you. I think that the um determination of the Israeli capital should be something that should be settled in a Israeli Palestinian bilateral negotiation for the creation of a Palestinian state, which is something that the Palestinian people should be able to have. They should be able to have freedom. They shouldn't. >> So, they do have freedom. What freedoms do the Palestinian people not have right now? >> Well, I mean, currently, >> Name one freedom. >> Uh, >> have you been to the West Bank? something they lack. Freedom freedom of movement. >> Sure they do. An Arab in the Palestinian Authority can travel to Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, in and out with any sort of restriction. I've been to Judea and Samaria. I've been to Hebrron. I've been to the Golan Heights. As a Christian, thankfully I'm allowed in there. You know, all my Jewish tour guides and my IDF friends as Jews are not allowed in the West Bank. Why? So, what freedom don't they have? >> Well, you know. >> No, I don't know. Can you name one freedom that the Palestinian people do not have? >> I mean, >> look, >> or is that just a talking point with no evidence? Look, soft sophistry aside for both of us, I you know, just there's an there's an imbalance here between what the between Israel and Palestine that the current Israeli government >> What imbalance? Can you build build it out for me? Because there's you have you you haven't been able to name a freedom they don't have. Did you know that the Israeli government gave up the Gaza Strip in pursuit of peace in 2006 and it was immediately taken over? 10,000 Jewish settlers left the Gaza Strip in pursuit of peace in 2006 and it was immediately taken over by the terrorist group Hamas, which is one of the richest parts of Israel. Isra is Israel gave it up voluntarily because they thought it would give them peace and they the PA didn't give it to them. So what freedoms does the PA not have? >> Look, I mean honestly >> this is really important because you come up here and say Alan Omar said nothing wrong. You make a factless evidence, you know, totally absent of evidence statement. the Palestinian people don't have freedom. Say one thing, please defend yourself. So, >> look, I'm I came out here not completely prepared. >> Well, because it doesn't exist. So, here's the thing. The talking point is factless. The Palestinian Authority exists as a governance structure over now what is truly Judea and Samaria, which has always been Israel. Do you know where the word Palestine comes from? You probably don't. >> Uh, Arabia Palestinian, which was >> Philistine. It was Philistine, which is an Arab, which is a Roman term, which only goes back about, you know, 1400 years. Israel has always been the home of the Jews dating back for 3,500 plus years. Israel is mentioned over 635 times in the Torah. Jerusalem has zero religious significance in the Quran at all to the Arab Muslim people. Yet, it's mentioned 637 times. Yet, under Israeli control, the Arabs and the Muslims still get total and complete access to their holy sites. Yet, where the Arabs control areas, the Jews are not allowed to visit there whatsoever. Why is that the Palestinian Authority pays the families of terrorists that kills Jews? They have a pay for slay policy. Thank God that President Trump just finally defunded it. I encourage you one thing. Don't believe the facts and the narrative that are just coming from the media because you're just wrong here and you obviously can't defend your position. Go and visit the West Bank yourself. You'll see the facts up in close. >> Yes, sir. >> How are you doing today, man? >> How you doing? How you doing? >> Padres's are good this year. >> Yeah, they are. And uh I just want to start off by saying I have no disrespect to any other religion. I respect all religion. This is more of a question for you and um whether or not you can confirm this. Uh the talis states that Jews are the chosen people and all non-Jews are goyam here to serve them. You are a Christian who's clearly serving the Jews defending Zionism with all you got. But you also believe Jesus is a rabbitic Jew in heaven when you know that Talmud states he's in hell burning in feces. >> Okay. So you're a Talmudic expert, right? Which Talmud is that in Jerusalem or Babylonian? >> I'm talking about Jerusalem, sir. Oh, that's the Jerusalem, which actually is not as divinely inspired. Which one's longer? And how long is it? Don't look at your phone. Look at me in the eye. >> I'm not I'm not >> No, come on. You said that I'm a what? A tool of the Jews. So, look at me in the eye like a man. >> You said you I'm talking about the Talmud. >> No, you you accused me of saying like you're a Zionist or something, right? >> I mean, do you do you support Israel? >> Yes, of course I do. Yes. >> Okay, that's good for real. >> But that's another thing. You're an advocate for the military in America. >> Hold on. Time out. Time out. You agree with Israel's war crimes. What's up with that? >> Oh, war war crimes. We'll get into that, but let's be more specific. What is your point here of of dragging up a multi,000-year text that you don't know, that you haven't read? You have not even Have you purchased the Talmud? Have you read the Tamud? What is the Tamude? Tell me the difference between the Torah, the Tanak, and the Tamud. Go ahead. >> I don't know. >> Oh, you don't know. That's pretty important. Time out. So, what you did is you cherr