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April 16, 2024

Charlie Kirk sits down with Russell Brand to discuss the relationship between Christianity and political thought. Kirk explains how biblical principles like loving your neighbor and blind justice have shaped Western civilization, warns against the rise of new paganism and false gods in modern culture, and shares his personal testimony of faith. From the constitutional foundation of equal justice to the spiritual battle over distinctions between good and evil, male and female, Kirk argues that Christianity is the essential ingredient that built the West and the only path to prevent its collapse into nihilism and materialism.

Christianity as the Foundation of Western Political Thought

Russell Brand opens the conversation by observing how Christianity was once used to justify American expansionism, but now an "extraordinary kind of anti-Christianity" serves as a spearhead for nihilism, materialism, and the abandonment of real values. He asks Charlie Kirk where Christianity becomes significant when forming political opinions and how it relates to fundamental principles like peace, non-interventionism, compassion, and love—the simple yet profound rules of Christ to love thy neighbor as thyself and love God with all thy heart.

Kirk responds that Christianity is "the biggest ingredient that informs our politics." He acknowledges Brand's curiosity toward Christianity before declaring himself a serious Christian who believes it is "the way the truth and the life." Kirk explains that Jesus Christ said all the laws of the prophets rest on two commandments from Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6:3-5: love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind.

Biblical Justice and the Forgotten Principle of Blind Justice

Kirk points to Leviticus 19 as an amazing but underquoted piece of scripture. In that same chapter where "love your neighbor" appears, there's also a command that you shall not favor a rich man or a poor man in a court of law. This is where Western civilization gets the idea of blind justice—that you don't give the Wall Street banker a break just because he works for Goldman Sachs after he bankrupted the economy in 2008.

Kirk argues that America has forgotten this biblical principle over the last decade and a half, creating one set of rules for the oligarchy and another for the commoner. This abandonment of equal justice represents a fundamental betrayal of the Christian foundation that built Western legal systems.

The Rise of New Paganism and False Gods

Kirk warns that the West is entering an era of new paganism. The idea of atheism or not believing in anything is "rubbish," he says, because everybody believes in something, everybody has gods, and everybody worships or prioritizes something. The new religion is basically some manifestation of pleasure-first ideology: the trans agenda, anti-racism, and a hyper-environmental earth-worshipping agenda.

While Kirk clarifies he has nothing against environmentalism, he draws a moral line when worship of the earth rises above humanity. Christianity stands against these false gods, he argues, because Genesis 1-11 details the order and separation that the West has enjoyed: the separation between man and woman, good and evil, holy and profane, man and nature. This established order is necessary for human beings to flourish.

The Spiritual Battle Over Distinctions

Kirk believes the establishment is doing a very good job of destroying both the order and separation outlined in scripture. He sees a spiritual element to this destruction that comes from the demonic. The enemy doesn't want distinctions between male and female to be recognizable anymore, nor distinctions between good and evil, nor between nations.

"If you do not have distinctions then you have this very confusing oneness," Kirk explains. "Distinctions I think are what makes life exciting." He points out the irony that the establishment constantly says "diversity is our strength" but doesn't actually believe it. They do not believe that things which must be separate should remain separate.

The Gospel and the West's Survival

Kirk outlines normative Christian theology: all of life points you toward recognizing that you are born a sinner, far from perfect and falling short of God's glory. God in the Incarnation took human flesh, and we must accept Christ as Lord. In that moment, you are born new and transformed permanently, eventually entering into eternal life.

This ethic and normative Christian theology is what largely built the West, according to Kirk. He is daily involved in trying to keep the West from committing suicide and hopes for a restoration of these values, ethics, and principles because he believes they represent the truth.

Challenging Christianity's Role in Imperialism

Brand responds by wondering how ideas like "Render unto God what is God's and unto Caesar what is Caesar's" have been utilized to facilitate aspects of imperialism that are not great. He acknowledges that Western civilization—its philosophies, art, the Renaissance—has many incredibly beautiful aspects in theory. However, there's no question it has led us to the current moment not because of its inclusion of Christian values but because it has disavowed them, legitimized false versions, and metastasized them to create false idols.

These false idols were evident in the 1980s, 1970s, and 1960s, Brand notes, and they're yet more evident now. He sees modern culture as being on a continuum rather than the last ten years representing a particular aberration.

Charlie Kirk's Personal Testimony of Faith

Brand asks Kirk to share his personal connection to Christ. Kirk responds with passion: "I'm nothing without Jesus. I'm a sinner. I fall incredibly short of the glory of God. We all do. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade and it's the most important decision I've ever made and everything I do incorporates Jesus Christ. He is the Living God."

Kirk acknowledges that for some people it might sound goofy or wacky, but he explains what makes Christianity different from all other religions: the idea of the Divine and the Logos becoming flesh. In John 3, Jesus tells Nicodemus that you must go through another birth—you must be born again. When you accept Christ, the Greek word is "metamorphosis"—you completely change.

"Even if I'm having a bad day I still have the joy of Christ," Kirk testifies. "Even if I'm having a difficult time I'm born new." The scriptures tell us this is the greatest love story ever, he continues, because the only explanation for why the Eternal would come down to the temporal, the broken, the flawed, and the dirty is out of love.

The Many Greek Words for Love

Kirk notes that the word "love" in English is incomplete. The Greeks had many words for love: phileo (brotherly love), eros (romantic love), and storge (love between a mother and child or father and child). But the word for love in John 3:16 is agape—sacrificial love, the love of one who would die for you.

Christ the Lord came down, lived a perfect life, died a brutal death, and defeated death on the cross and in the grave so that we might have life eternal. Kirk says he has a joy that doesn't get muted, that keeps him going. It is his "why," and he hopes to bring that light to as many people as possible. It is the most important component of his existence, and he's blown away just to be able to say that God loved him enough to send His son to die for us so that we might live.

Closing With Scripture

Brand closes the conversation by reading from John 3, starting from verse 5: "Jesus answered, verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit."

He continues to verse 16, which Kirk had cited: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Brand acknowledges it was good for them to focus on the many areas where they agree and find new ways to form new confederacies to oppose the neoliberal establishment power that tyrannizes everyone. He expresses interest in covering some of the demonic topics Kirk touched upon in a future conversation, confident they will speak and meet again.

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[00:00] the Assumption was that Christianity was

[00:03] leveraged to legitimize American

[00:06] expansionism and now it's a sort of an

[00:08] extraordinary kind of

[00:11] anti-christianity that is used to I

[00:14] don't know as a kind of spearhead for

[00:17] nihilism for materialism for abandonment

[00:21] of all real values so I just wonder

[00:23] where you think Christianity becomes

[00:25] significant when forming a political

[00:27] opinion and how that relates to IDE

[00:28] fundamental principles like peace

[00:30] non-interventionism compassion love the

[00:33] simple rules of Christ love thy neighbor

[00:36] as you love thyself love God with all

[00:37] thy heart pretty basic and profound

[00:39] principles how do you think that those

[00:41] ideas uh ought inform

[00:45] politics I mean I think it it is the the

[00:48] biggest ingredient that informs our

[00:50] politics and and Russell I I watch a

[00:51] fair amount of your stuff I love your

[00:53] curiosity towards Christianity I I think

[00:55] it's I think it's awesome and I don't

[00:56] want to speak for you out of turn but um

[00:59] I'm I'm a ser Christian and um I I

[01:02] believe it it is the it is the way the

[01:04] truth and the life happy to talk more

[01:05] about that but from the the political

[01:07] side look uh the two things you

[01:09] mentioned uh you know Jesus Christ Our

[01:11] Lord said that all the laws of the

[01:13] prophets are upon these two things which

[01:15] is Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6 3-5

[01:18] which is love your neighbor as yourself

[01:21] and then love the Lord your God their

[01:22] heart soul strength and mind and so

[01:25] let's just take Leviticus 19 which by

[01:27] the way is it's an amazing uh not very

[01:29] quoted or studied uh piece of the

[01:31] scriptures uh in that very same chapter

[01:34] by the way is also that you shall not

[01:35] favor a rich man or a poor man in a

[01:38] court of law that is right there where

[01:40] we get the idea of Western Blind Justice

[01:44] that you don't give the Wall Street

[01:46] Banker a break just because he

[01:48] bankrupted our economy in 2008 because

[01:50] he works for Goldman Sachs and that so

[01:53] that that that's that biblical principle

[01:55] we have forgotten in the last decade and

[01:58] a half we have one set of rules for the

[02:01] oligarchy and another set of rules for

[02:03] the commoner but look uh we we're

[02:06] entering this kind of era of new

[02:08] paganism in the west this idea of

[02:11] atheism or not believing in anything um

[02:14] is rubbish everybody believes in

[02:17] something everybody has Gods everybody

[02:19] has something they worship or something

[02:21] they prioritize uh in the new religion

[02:24] basically is some manifestation of

[02:27] pleasure first the trans agenda

[02:30] anti-racism you could call it a hyper

[02:33] environmental Earth worshipping agenda

[02:35] and I'm nothing against environmentalism

[02:37] but when it gets to the point of where

[02:39] the the worship of the earth is above

[02:42] Humanity I have some big moral problems

[02:44] with that and Christianity stands

[02:46] against these false gods uh in Genesis

[02:50] 1-11 the order and separation that we

[02:53] have enjoyed in the west were detailed

[02:55] the separation between man and woman

[02:57] good and evil holy and profane man and

[03:00] nature and that established order is

[03:03] necessary for human beings to flourish

[03:05] in my personal opinion The Establishment

[03:08] is doing a very good job of destroying

[03:12] both that order and separation that

[03:14] we're living through I believe there's a

[03:15] spiritual element to this I believe it

[03:17] comes from the Demonic um where they do

[03:20] not want you to have this the

[03:22] distinctions of male and female

[03:24] recognizable anymore the distinctions of

[03:27] Good and Evil recognizable anymore the

[03:29] distinctions Nations anymore and dare I

[03:32] say if you do not have distinctions then

[03:34] you have this very confusing Oneness and

[03:39] distinctions I think are what makes life

[03:40] exciting in fact isn't that what they're

[03:42] always telling us diversity is our

[03:44] strength they don't believe in that uh

[03:46] they they do not believe in things that

[03:49] must be separate must be separate and so

[03:51] in Christianity we believe that all of

[03:54] life points you towards a recognition

[03:56] that you are born a sinner that you are

[03:59] not perfect that you're far from perfect

[04:01] from the glory of God and that God God

[04:03] in the Incarnation took human flesh and

[04:07] that we must accept Christ Our Lord uh

[04:09] and in that moment you are born new and

[04:11] transformed permanently and um

[04:14] eventually enter into eternal life that

[04:16] ethic that kind of normative Christian

[04:18] theology um is what largely built the

[04:21] West which I am a daily uh daily

[04:24] involved in trying to keep the west from

[04:27] uh committing suicide and I hope we can

[04:29] have a restoration of those values those

[04:31] ethics and those principles um because I

[04:33] believe it is the truth that's very

[04:35] there's some things in there with which

[04:37] I strongly agree and I I wonder

[04:39] sometimes about how ideas like you know

[04:41] Render unto God what is gods and unto

[04:44] Caesar what is Caesar are utilized to

[04:47] facilitate the kind of aspects of

[04:50] imperialism Charlie which are not great

[04:53] you know like Western Civilization many

[04:55] of its philosophies its art the

[04:57] Renaissance there are so many things

[04:58] that are incredibly abuseful

[05:00] uh certainly in theory but there is no

[05:03] question that it has led us

[05:07] here not because of its inclusion of

[05:09] Christian values but because it has

[05:12] disavowed them legitimized them

[05:14] metastasized and metabolize them uh in

[05:17] order to create false Idols which like

[05:20] you know were evident in the 1980s the

[05:22] 1970s the 196s and they're yet more

[05:24] evident now in fact I would see us as

[05:26] being on a kind of Continuum rather than

[05:29] you know the last 10 years representing

[05:31] a particular aberration uh so that's one

[05:35] thing that uh I feel you know we could

[05:38] uh address if we had time but I'd love

[05:40] to I know that you've got show in a

[05:41] minute mate your your team has told us

[05:44] and I'd love to just uh so for a moment

[05:46] cover exactly what you feel uh your what

[05:49] your personal connection to Christ

[05:53] is oh I mean I'm nothing without Jesus

[05:57] I'm a sinner I fall incredibly short of

[05:59] the glory of God we all do I gave my

[06:01] life to the Lord in fifth grade and it's

[06:04] the most important decision I've ever

[06:05] made and everything I do incorporates

[06:09] Jesus Christ he is the Living God and I

[06:12] know for some people it might sound

[06:13] goofy or wacky but what makes

[06:16] Christianity different and I respect all

[06:18] different views but Christianity is not

[06:20] like all the religions as I mentioned

[06:22] it's the idea of the Divine and the

[06:24] logos becoming flesh and in John 3 Jesus

[06:28] says You must go through another birth

[06:31] he's talking to Nicodemus at this time

[06:33] that you must be born again so when you

[06:35] accept Christ the Greek word is

[06:38] metamorphosis basically you completely

[06:40] change and I could tell you Russell even

[06:43] if I'm having a bad day I still have the

[06:45] joy of Christ even if I'm having you

[06:48] know a difficult time I'm born new and

[06:52] you know the scriptures tell us that

[06:55] this is the greatest love story ever

[06:58] because the only explanation for why the

[07:00] Eternal would come down to the temporal

[07:03] to the broken to the flawed and to the

[07:05] dirty is out of love and the I don't the

[07:09] the word love in English is incomplete

[07:11] the Greeks had many words for love uh

[07:13] for example fileo Brotherly Love Aeros

[07:16] romantic love stor love between um a a

[07:20] mother and a child or a father and a

[07:22] child but the word love for Christ in

[07:25] John 3:16 is that Agape it is

[07:28] sacrificial love it is the love of one

[07:31] that would die for you and so Christ Our

[07:34] Lord came down lived a perfect life died

[07:37] a brutal death defeated death on the

[07:40] cross and in the grave to live against

[07:42] that we might have life eternal and I

[07:46] have a joy that doesn't doesn't get

[07:48] muted that keeps me going it is my why

[07:52] and I hope I can bring that light to as

[07:54] many people as possible and it is it is

[07:58] the the most important component of my

[08:01] existence and I'm blown away just to be

[08:03] able to say that God loved me enough to

[08:05] send himself his son to die for us so

[08:08] that I might live let's go out on John

[08:12] uh three starting from five Jesus

[08:15] answered verily verily I say unto thee

[08:16] except a man be born of water and of the

[08:18] spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of

[08:20] God that which is born of the flesh is

[08:21] flesh and that which is born of the

[08:23] spirit his Spirit Marvel not that I said

[08:25] unto thee ye must be born again the wind

[08:27] bloweth where it listeth and thou

[08:30] hearest the sound thereof but cannot

[08:31] tell where it whence it came and whether

[08:34] it goeth so is everyone that is born of

[08:36] the spirit then over the page 16 as

[08:39] verse 16 that you cited for God so loved

[08:41] the world that he gave his only begotten

[08:43] son that whosoever believeth in him

[08:45] should not perish but have everlasting

[08:47] life Charlie that's a great way for us

[08:49] to wrap up our conversation it was good

[08:52] for us to focus on the many areas that

[08:54] we agree and find new ways that we might

[08:56] form new confederacies to oppose this

[08:59] Neo liberal establishment power that

[09:01] tyrannizes us all would love to have

[09:03] covered that some of that demonic stuff

[09:05] you touched upon but surely we will

[09:07] speak again and meet again Charlie thank

[09:08] you for your support and uh thank you

[09:11] for this conversation God bless you too

[09:12] man thank you

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