Charlie Kirk Was BETRAYED...

[00:00] It's funny that some people say

[00:03] Charlie believed this. Charlie did this.

[00:05] Everybody turned on Charlie

[00:08] and these people were closer to Charlie

[00:09] than they were.

[00:10] >> Yeah.

[00:11] >> These people, I would argue, love

[00:12] Charlie to the day he died. They were

[00:15] there when he died.

[00:17] And

[00:17] >> and they're holding his organization

[00:19] together day in and day out.

[00:21] >> They're trying their best. He is the

[00:23] cash cow. He is the idea. He's the

[00:26] movement. He's the bread and butter of

[00:28] Turning Point. What are you going to do

[00:29] without Charlie Kirk? [music]

[00:34] That's all I care about is his legacy.

[00:36] So, I want to take care of his wife. I

[00:38] want to take care of his legacy with

[00:39] Turning Point USA. And I want to push

[00:40] the things that he believed in. So, I go

[00:42] to Turning Point. Um, [music] and I see

[00:45] Erica and I give her a big hug. I see

[00:47] Mikey. I see Tero. These people are

[00:51] getting death threats that people are

[00:53] threatening to kill them because somehow

[00:56] they think it had anything to do with

[00:57] Charlie's death. These people loved

[00:59] Charlie. That's all I care about is his

[01:02] legacy. So, I want to take care of his

[01:03] wife. [music] I want to take care of his

[01:05] legacy with Turning Point USA. And I

[01:06] want to push the things that he believed

[01:08] in. So, I go to [music] Turning Point.

[01:10] Um, and I see Erica and I give her a big

[01:13] hug. I see Mikey. I see Ter. These

[01:17] people are getting death threats that

[01:19] people [music] are threatening to kill

[01:21] them because somehow they think it had

[01:23] anything to do with Charlie's death.

[01:24] These people loved Charlie. Like and

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[01:40] >> How is it that they go from attacking

[01:42] Israel, being obsessed with Israel,

[01:44] literally almost every show is about

[01:46] Israel and the Jews while we're losing

[01:48] America, right? We have Manny and all of

[01:50] the craziness that is happening here.

[01:52] [snorts] And now it just transfers into

[01:55] an attack on a Christian pastor

[01:58] literally

[01:58] >> because because the mind went back and

[02:01] attacking Israel. The mind went. So now

[02:03] the mind is susceptible for the devil to

[02:06] use you for his good. And so you see

[02:08] those people going now and attacking

[02:10] good people. I know Rob. I could

[02:12] probably text Rob right now. I didn't

[02:14] know Mikey as much, but I know Rob and I

[02:16] met Mikey a few times. I know Erica.

[02:18] I've met her. for somebody to say that

[02:21] they think that they have anything to do

[02:22] with Charlie's death.

[02:25] They're either

[02:26] It's only one. Well, if you don't know

[02:28] them, you're ignorant. If you know them

[02:30] and say it, you're evil.

[02:31] >> Yeah.

[02:32] >> It's pure evil.

[02:33] >> It's evil.

[02:33] >> I'm I went to Turning Point the other

[02:35] day because I do really love Charlie.

[02:36] And Charlie was my friend. And my

[02:39] dedication to Charlie is his legacy.

[02:41] That's all I care about is his legacy.

[02:43] So, I want to take care of his wife. I

[02:45] want to take care of his legacy with

[02:46] Turning Point USA. And I want to push

[02:48] the things that he believed in. So, I go

[02:50] to Turning Point. Um, and I see Erica

[02:53] and I give her a big hug. I see Mikey. I

[02:56] see Tero. These people are getting death

[02:59] threats that people are threatening to

[03:01] kill them because somehow they think it

[03:03] had anything to do with Charlie's death.

[03:05] These people loved Charlie. What are we

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[04:04] and give today. These would It's funny

[04:06] that some people say

[04:09] Charlie believed this. Charlie did this.

[04:11] Everybody turned on Charlie.

[04:14] And these people were closer to Charlie

[04:15] than they were.

[04:16] >> Yeah.

[04:17] >> These people, I would argue, love

[04:18] Charlie to the day he died. They were

[04:21] there when he died. And

[04:23] >> and they're holding his organization

[04:25] together day in and day out.

[04:27] >> They're trying their best. He is the

[04:29] cash cow. He is the idea. He's the

[04:32] movement. He's the bread and butter of

[04:34] Turning Point. What are you going to do

[04:35] without Charlie Kirk? You know what

[04:37] Mikey had been told over and over again

[04:40] by Charlie? If anything happens to me,

[04:44] the first thing you do is you call

[04:45] Erica.

[04:47] >> Get her on the phone immediately. Now,

[04:50] Erica

[04:51] was in Phoenix. We were in Utah.

[04:56] Mikey did the emergency procedure.

[04:59] That's what you're supposed to do. And

[05:00] anybody in the military or law

[05:02] enforcement knows what I'm talking

[05:03] about. I was in the Navy for eight

[05:05] years. You think about all this stuff

[05:07] before it happens. So when it happens,

[05:10] you don't have to think. You just do

[05:12] what you're supposed to do. What sense

[05:14] would it made for would it would it make

[05:16] for Mikey to run to Charlie when his

[05:19] security team six guys were already on

[05:22] him? Well, four guys were on him. There

[05:24] two more there,

[05:25] >> right?

[05:26] >> They were they were already they they

[05:28] were right there. He would have just

[05:30] gotten in the way.

[05:31] >> He knew what he had to do and he did it.

[05:34] >> Yeah. And you know, I don't have any

[05:36] special insight, but I assumed that that

[05:38] thing, as you said, had been rehearsed

[05:40] and as you said, had been talked about

[05:42] and Erica said on Fox News to Jesse

[05:45] Waters that Mikey called her and said,

[05:47] "Get the kids. Get security. This just

[05:51] happened." And so, if that's not what

[05:53] happened or people saying that Erica is

[05:56] lying, like that would be the

[05:58] implication there that she's not telling

[06:00] the truth. Um, and so I just I I really

[06:04] feel for him and the implication that,

[06:07] you know, he was promised to be

[06:08] Charlie's successor and that's why he's

[06:10] speaking at Liberty University. Again,

[06:13] no evidence of that. I mean, Mikey's not

[06:16] hosting Charlie's show. I don't see like

[06:18] Mikey doing a bunch of interviews out

[06:20] there being like, I'm going to I haven't

[06:22] seen him at a campus stop. He hasn't

[06:24] been on any like doing any of these

[06:27] debates. There have been a lot of us,

[06:29] you, me, a lot of other people who were

[06:31] in this circle who have been asked to go

[06:34] to this speaking engagement or go to

[06:36] this campus stop or fill in or do this

[06:39] interview or or things like that. Not,

[06:42] you know, to take anyone's place, but

[06:44] just because, you know, we're trying to

[06:46] fill in for a friend, but I haven't seen

[06:49] any evidence of Mikey stepping into any

[06:52] realm. I've seen him continue to serve.

[06:54] And so, again, I just don't see the

[06:56] proof. And I think it matters a whole

[06:58] lot to put someone, you know, in in the

[07:02] crosshairs by implying that somehow they

[07:05] were involved in this. That's like a

[07:07] really really hefty claim to make.

[07:10] >> Yeah. And it's causing dissension among

[07:12] the brothers.

[07:13] >> These people, I would argue, love

[07:15] Charlie to the day he died. They were

[07:17] there when he died.

[07:19] >> And they're holding his organization

[07:21] together day in and day out.

[07:23] >> They're trying their best. He is the

[07:25] cash cow. He is the idea. He's the

[07:28] movement. He's the bread and butter of

[07:30] Turning Point. What are you going to do

[07:31] without Charlie Kirk? As if they want

[07:34] him to die so they can take over. Erica,

[07:36] I love Erica. She's a wonderful woman

[07:38] and that's why God matched her and

[07:40] Charlie together. Erica is not Charlie.

[07:43] It's not that easy for Erica to take

[07:45] over that organization from Charlie and

[07:46] try to continue his legacy. That's not

[07:48] easy to do. She can't go around the

[07:50] country and speak at 150 events. She has

[07:52] two little kids and she just had the

[07:55] most shocking experience of anybody's

[07:57] lifetime.

[07:57] >> Can you Can you imagine? I'm married and

[08:01] obviously you're married too. Can you

[08:03] imagine? And I don't even want you to

[08:06] think about this, but if you lost your

[08:07] significant other that way, not because

[08:10] uh had a heart attack or something, it

[08:11] was or they were had chemo, you know,

[08:13] going through chemo and it was a kind of

[08:15] an expected end. They get assassinated

[08:17] on television in front of the world. My

[08:19] son saw Charlie get assassinated. They

[08:21] were they were sharing the videos at

[08:22] school. So, you know, they're seeing it

[08:24] all over the world. You lose your loved

[08:26] one like that. And people who love you

[08:30] or should love you and care about you or

[08:32] care about at least your husband should

[08:34] protect your heart in that in that

[08:36] moment because they should know if

[08:38] they're married what it could possibly

[08:40] be if you lose somebody like that.

[08:43] >> Losing a dog hurt. You know what I'm

[08:45] saying? Like I've lost pets before and

[08:48] like I'm devastated. Losing your husband

[08:52] is devastating.

[08:55] My heart is I'm going to protect her.

[08:59] >> Yeah.

[09:00] >> That's the first thing. I don't care

[09:02] about conspiracies, money, none of that

[09:04] stuff. The first thing I did was I

[09:07] wanted a shirt for Charlie. And then I

[09:09] we I was going to a UFC fight and I'm

[09:11] like, I want to wear a shirt to

[09:12] represent Charlie cuz that's what this

[09:14] is about. Not me. Nobody else. It's

[09:16] Charlie. And I said, and people wanted,

[09:19] I want that shirt. I want that shirt. I

[09:20] said, okay, this is what I'll do. 100%

[09:22] of the profits that we sell from this

[09:23] shirt to go to Erica. And we raise

[09:25] money, we going to give it to Erica. and

[09:28] for people to not only

[09:32] bash him and his people around him, but

[09:35] those who are not bold enough to stand

[09:37] up and say something. I know people who

[09:40] claim that they were friends with him,

[09:44] uh, Charlie, and then they have a guy

[09:46] come on the podcast that hated Charlie,

[09:50] that spoke ill will of Charlie every

[09:52] single day, vile, and then bring him on

[09:55] the show. And, "Hey, let me talk to you

[09:57] about your I'm sorry I said this to you,

[10:00] Marissa. You can't come on my show if

[10:03] you bash Charlie without being

[10:05] confronted by me.

[10:08] You're lucky to be in the same presence

[10:10] as me if you were to bash my friend like

[10:13] that. And you brought his wife up and

[10:16] said his wife was a plant. You can't

[10:19] even talk to me with saying stuff like

[10:22] that. I I I don't know what kind of

[10:24] cowardice friends

[10:26] >> Yeah.

[10:26] >> that you have around you that will let

[10:29] somebody say that about your wife and

[10:30] let somebody say something about you

[10:32] crazy in your death and they don't stand

[10:33] up to it. We have this very interesting

[10:34] that you bring up the term friends

[10:36] because the the concept of friendship,

[10:39] right? We all have friendships behind

[10:41] the scenes. We all have friendships in

[10:43] in the public sphere, but obviously we

[10:45] develop friendships uh you know, just

[10:48] natural friendships as as we we are in

[10:50] the same we're colleagues essentially.

[10:53] How can you be a friend of Charlie Kirks

[10:56] and bring on a vile person who

[11:00] constantly try to destroy Charlie Kirk's

[11:04] organization? You call that friendship?

[11:07] And I mean I I'm going to say I you know

[11:09] I don't want to say his name. Everybody

[11:11] is watching this knows exactly who I'm

[11:13] talking about. But the reason we are not

[11:16] calling this person out, people are not

[11:18] calling this person out is because we're

[11:19] saying, "Oh, he's our friend. We we

[11:21] don't bash our friends in public. We

[11:22] don't bash our friends in public.

[11:24] Meanwhile, this friend of ours has no

[11:26] problem bashing our dead, murdered

[11:31] friend who can't stand up for himself or

[11:33] for his wife at this point in time. It

[11:36] it is Brandon. It is demonic. The demon

[11:39] has made it into the conservative right.

[11:41] [snorts] And I'm all about having a big

[11:43] tent, but even a tent needs to have its

[11:45] borders. Even if a if a tent does not

[11:47] have a border, it will lose its soul.

[11:49] And I really worry that if we do not

[11:52] speak out, we're going to be swimming in

[11:53] a lot of vile garbage and we will lose

[11:56] everything we fought for.

[11:57] >> You you cannot say that you are a fan of

[12:01] Joseph Stalin

[12:03] and think that you have that you that

[12:06] you you know there's a and I'm not

[12:08] really a big rapper but there's a big

[12:09] song out by Kendrick Lamar. They not

[12:11] they not like us.

[12:12] >> Yeah.

[12:13] >> Uh they not like us. Like it you you

[12:15] saying you support Joseph Stalin and you

[12:18] a Hitler fan and that you say the N-word

[12:21] every time you open your mouth on your

[12:22] shows and you and you bash women and you

[12:24] and you do this and you say you were

[12:25] effing Turning Point USA. He said it.

[12:27] I'm effing Turning Point USA and I've

[12:29] been effing it and it's baby.

[12:33] >> Charlie's baby Turning Point. I'm effing

[12:35] it. I've taken over Turning Point. I'mma

[12:37] tear it all down. You cannot You ain't

[12:40] like us. We don't operate like that.

[12:43] Charlie don't operate like that. Why

[12:45] didn't Charlie interview that person?

[12:47] Because Charlie don't give we we don't

[12:49] give credence to foolery and then you

[12:51] wait till he dies to interview this

[12:53] person. Why didn't you interview him

[12:55] when Charlie was alive?

[12:57] Hm. I wonder why. But then you bring him

[12:59] on to do a little like I call a butt

[13:01] sniffing. Like dogs they want to get to

[13:03] know each other. They sniff each other

[13:04] butt. This should have been an allout

[13:06] brawl.

[13:08] I'm telling you, Marissa, no one I hope

[13:10] that anybody watching this, if you ever

[13:13] disrespect any of my friends to that

[13:16] degree and they wives after he has died,

[13:19] you can don't even talk to me. Don't

[13:21] even talk to me. If I see Lil Hitler

[13:24] somewhere, don't talk to me. Stay in

[13:27] your lane, gangster. We ain't the same.

[13:29] You not like us. Don't come up to me and

[13:32] say, "I want to be friend. Can I come on

[13:34] your podcast?" It's not going to go well

[13:36] for you. I can't stand evil people. And

[13:42] the person who's gaslighting the living

[13:44] daylights out of us who decide to

[13:46] interview, you know who I'm talking

[13:48] about. He's gaslighting us, too, because

[13:52] he goes and says, "Oh, I brought him on

[13:54] because I wanted to." No, you

[13:55] gaslighting us.

[13:56] >> Well, he'll say, "Oh, well, it's my

[13:58] right to interview whoever I want."

[14:01] You're right. Correct. Correct. It's

[14:03] freedom of speech. It's your right. But

[14:05] should you should you do this? You talk

[14:07] about morality. We talk about being a

[14:09] Christian. You talk about being

[14:10] biblical. Okay. Interview whoever you

[14:12] want, but there is a consequence. Cuz

[14:15] should you do it? Should you interview

[14:18] the arch nemesis of your murdered friend

[14:22] 2 months after he was murdered? Should

[14:24] you? And should we hold him accountable

[14:27] for doing something literally horrible,

[14:31] vile, and probably demonic?

[14:33] >> Interview who you want. We're gonna call

[14:34] you on the carpet. That's it. You can't

[14:37] interview and think people are gonna

[14:38] call you out. Why do I not interview

[14:40] certain people because I'm not giving a

[14:42] platform to somebody who is and the

[14:45] thing is this, you can stay online and

[14:47] say whatever you want on your own

[14:48] platform. Little homie can say whatever

[14:51] he want to do. And you people can

[14:54] interview whoever they want. But

[14:56] brother, you interview somebody like

[14:57] that, we going to come out, we going to

[14:58] criticize you.

[14:59] >> Sure.

[15:00] >> Just like somebody come out and say God

[15:02] ain't real. Like God ain't real. I don't

[15:05] care if you're a Jewish or Christian. We

[15:07] all believe in God. God ain't real and

[15:09] we're not going to criticize you. You

[15:11] got to be a fool. You can't be you're

[15:13] not a part of the movement. If you're

[15:14] saying God don't exist, you're not a

[15:16] part of this movement because all the

[15:18] things we do is in light of what God has

[15:20] done for us and God's, you know, word,

[15:23] the word of God, the law that we have,

[15:25] our forefather, our founding fathers,

[15:27] all of that is God. And when people come

[15:30] out and do this this foolery, we don't

[15:32] want you to be a part of what we're

[15:33] doing. No. Like if you think that

[15:38] there's a lot of momentum in this, too.

[15:40] People are forgetting. I post a clip of

[15:44] the little homie. I call him little

[15:46] homie. I post a clip of him doing

[15:48] something vile in my comment section.

[15:51] People are defending it.

[15:53] We will lose our party if we start

[15:57] giving credence to this. You know, I I

[15:59] compare it like this. Let's say Adolf

[16:01] Hitler was around and it was a big

[16:02] podcaster. You bring Adolf Hitler on

[16:05] your podcast, but don't talk about the

[16:06] Holocaust. That then what are you doing?

[16:10] You're almost trying to act like he

[16:11] normal. No, he ain't normal. No, he says

[16:14] the craziest stuff in the world. No, he

[16:15] hates women. He bash women. He calls

[16:17] them bees and all this other stuff.

[16:19] That's not Christlike for us as

[16:22] Christians. And that's not godly.

[16:24] You can't do that and then expect for

[16:26] people to respect you the same way. You

[16:28] can't have people on your podcast and

[16:30] you don't know. You can't determine if

[16:31] Hamas is a terrorist organization or

[16:33] not. What are we saying here? They you

[16:36] bring people on your podcast that say

[16:37] the Jews created AI to destroy the

[16:39] world. You You're not going to at least

[16:41] push back on that. You get a you get you

[16:43] interviewed a woman on there that says

[16:46] that Hamas is not a terrorist

[16:48] organization and that Christians are

[16:50] treated better in the West Bank than in

[16:53] Israel.

[16:55] >> That was the George Stephanopoulos's n

[16:58] you know it's George Stephanos's sister

[17:00] who by the way George Stephanop like

[17:02] after everything Trump went through with

[17:04] that family that's who we're we're now

[17:06] oh just bring them into our tent. Our

[17:08] tent has no borders. You know when this

[17:10] William Buckley you should read William

[17:11] Buckley because he has written about

[17:13] this a lot heard and and it was a very

[17:16] dangerous moment for the conservative

[17:18] movement because America is not

[17:19] extremist. America is is a melting pot.

[17:23] That's what America is. You know

[17:25] everybody is an inner inner marriage.

[17:27] People don't like extremism. And if we

[17:29] allow our friends to narrate for and

[17:34] launder the ideas of extremists into our

[17:38] movement, then all the stuff that they

[17:40] were accusing us of, right? The this is

[17:42] why the New York Times is all over this.

[17:44] They are loving this. They are loving

[17:46] this because we're not talking about Mum

[17:48] Donnie. We're not talking about all of

[17:49] we are just laundering bad ideas in the

[17:52] name of well it's freedom of speech. We

[17:53] can talk about whatever we want. Yeah,

[17:55] it's your freedom of speech, but there

[17:57] has to be a consequence.

[17:58] >> There there's a mathematical equation

[18:00] here and there's a precedent that has

[18:02] been set. The left did this already.

[18:05] The left had the radical nut jobs in

[18:07] their party.

[18:08] >> Yes. The squad

[18:08] >> doing all this crazy stuff. We don't

[18:11] know what a woman is. We They doing all

[18:13] of this and a lot of people left them.

[18:15] >> That's right.

[18:16] >> This is why Trump got elected

[18:17] overwhelmingly like he did. This how

[18:19] we've been having a House and Senate and

[18:21] we've been winning on these arguments

[18:22] because they're so crazy.

[18:25] They're they say they love women, but

[18:27] they want men to beat up women in

[18:29] sports. What?

[18:30] >> It's so true. The left took in their

[18:33] most extremist faction and said, "Well,

[18:35] but it's getting us a lot of views and

[18:37] so we're going to go bring it. Let's

[18:39] bring AOC to be our leader." It's

[18:41] amazing how evil uses the exact same

[18:45] formula. It's the same formula and it's

[18:47] coming our way. And I mean, the good

[18:49] thing, the thing that we have on our

[18:51] side is the most powerful thing and that

[18:52] is God. And as long we stick to the

[18:54] truth and we remember what how important

[18:58] it is to have strength and courage, we

[19:00] we we will reject it. I You're rejecting

[19:02] it. Charlie rejected it. We're rejecting

[19:05] it. And you know, I think really that is

[19:08] ultimately the armor of God is is to

[19:10] reject the lies and just stand in with

[19:12] the light.

[19:13] >> 100%.

[19:14] >> How do we honor Charlie Kirk? Really,

[19:16] how do we honor his his legacy? It

[19:18] >> it is very simple. You do what he stood

[19:21] on. Put God first. you know, and all the

[19:24] principles that Charlie had. You know,

[19:25] the standards that he had, like, you

[19:27] know, he he kept the Sabbath. You know,

[19:29] that's one thing that, you know, you

[19:31] can't you can't say you want to honor

[19:33] Charlie Kirk without honoring all the

[19:34] things that he stood for. Maybe people

[19:36] should go out and kind of look into what

[19:38] Charlie was saying a little bit. You

[19:40] know, me and my family has thought about

[19:41] the same thing, like, you know, maybe we

[19:44] should maybe we should listen to what

[19:45] Charlie said. Maybe there's something to

[19:46] it. Let us dig into that. There's

[19:48] something about that Jesus kept the

[19:50] Sabbath. Come on. Like, we we probably

[19:51] should think about that. So, not not

[19:52] just saying that, but like putting God

[19:54] first, being godly, um not entertaining

[19:57] a lot of drama, knowing how to isolate

[20:01] bad ideas and elevate good ideas. Having

[20:03] an open dialogue like Charlie isn't on

[20:06] wasn't on campus letting leftist talk

[20:08] stupid and then him just uh okay,

[20:11] everything is fine. No, he challenged

[20:12] them

[20:12] >> with kindness.

[20:13] >> With kindness, but he challenged them.

[20:15] >> Yes.

[20:15] >> And he told them that's wrong. That's

[20:17] not right. This is what God said. This

[20:19] is what the Constitution says. he

[20:21] challenged them. So in our efforts and

[20:24] what we're doing, don't be too cowardish

[20:26] to challenge people that you oppose. And

[20:29] I thought one thing that I will say that

[20:31] that Charlie was a peacemaker more than

[20:34] anything else.

[20:36] We have to understand this too.

[20:39] You may not

[20:41] have to blast people's names every time.

[20:45] I have I do I'm bad at this. I put

[20:47] people name out there. But in the spirit

[20:49] of Charlie, you may not have to blast

[20:50] their names, but you can definitely

[20:51] challenge their ideas.

[20:54] >> And I I want people to understand this.

[20:57] There is a difference between saying, "I

[21:00] have a friendship with a person. I'm not

[21:03] going to say that person's name, and I'm

[21:05] also not going to challenge their

[21:06] ideas." That's a difference than saying,

[21:08] "I have a friend. I love them. I love

[21:11] the relationship. I don't want to

[21:12] destroy that. I may not say that name,

[21:13] but I will challenge a bad idea."

[21:16] >> Yeah. And I see people on our side don't

[21:19] know which camp they're in. You don't

[21:21] have to. If you don't if you don't feel

[21:22] comfortable saying their names or

[21:24] whatever, that's fine. I get it. Some

[21:26] people have relationships with people

[21:27] that people don't understand. But dog on

[21:30] it, if a person say a lie, you should be

[21:33] able to challenge the lie because at the

[21:35] end of the day, it's demonic. It's not

[21:38] about the person per se because that lie

[21:40] persists in everybody that's demonically

[21:42] influenced to do certain things. So you

[21:45] challenge that in the spirit of Charlie.

[21:47] Put God first. Keep the Sabbath. Read

[21:50] your Bible. Pray and be a peacemaker.

[21:54] And always challenge ideas and never be

[21:57] afraid.

[21:59] >> If we people do that, the world will be

[22:02] a better place.

[22:03] >> I love it. Brandon, morally disciplined,

[22:06] morally [clears throat] courageous. I

[22:08] love you, man. You're amazing.

[22:09] >> Love you, too. Thank you for having me.

[22:15] >> [music]