[00:00] But guess what? So this guy who's
[00:02] allegedly the ex-boyfriend of Erica
[00:06] Kirk,
[00:07] she dated him right before Charlie,
[00:09] that's the story.
[00:11] He's now being tapped to go around and
[00:14] take over for Charlie.
[00:17] It said how to lead like Charlie. Kat
[00:19] Phillips, senior editor, Daily Wire,
[00:22] Turning Point USA.
[00:26] So, it turns out Erica Kirk has been
[00:29] caught in even more lies.
[00:31] >> Unbelievable. I'm shocked.
[00:32] >> So, we got caught the So, here's here's
[00:35] more lies coming out of TPUSA. She's the
[00:37] CEO. And well, here's what she said
[00:41] about their dating life.
[00:42] >> I lived out here. I was here for 5
[00:44] years.
[00:45] I never dated here cuz I saw vicariously
[00:47] through my roommate how terrible it was.
[00:50] >> She never dated for 5 years. The whole
[00:52] time she was in New York. Somehow
[00:54] getting drinks was the replacement of
[00:56] having coffee and breakfast. I
[00:58] personally would rather have coffee or
[01:00] brunch with someone than going I just I
[01:02] don't drink. I find it unproductive. Not
[01:04] because I'm holier than whatever. I
[01:06] that's not I just don't operate that
[01:09] way. But I always thought it was very
[01:11] strange how she would go to drinks with
[01:12] one guy and then go to dinner with
[01:15] another. My situation was a little
[01:17] different. I went to you went to a job
[01:19] interview literally. So this is how good
[01:20] the Lord is. He knew that because I was
[01:24] not dating in New York City. He knew
[01:26] that in order for me to know that that
[01:28] was my man, he had to blanket Charlie as
[01:32] a job interview. Because if that went
[01:34] in, no joke, if he came to me and said,
[01:36] "Hey, let's go on a date to Bill's
[01:38] Burgers." I'd be like,
[01:40] >> she'd be like, "No,
[01:41] >> I lived out here." I was,
[01:42] >> "No, she's not going." So, I just think
[01:45] it's funny how people think God works
[01:47] like that. Like, oh, God had to set us
[01:49] up on this thing. But then uh he wanted
[01:52] to set us up to get married so I could
[01:53] watch him be assassinated on in 4K a
[01:56] couple years later. God didn't intervene
[01:58] on that. So it's just a it's just it's
[02:00] to me it's a sophomoric way to look at
[02:02] God. It's very sophomoric. But anyway,
[02:05] uh turns out she was dating
[02:08] >> what
[02:08] >> turns out. So she was dating this guy
[02:10] named Cabbat Phillips.
[02:13] Uh this is from I think 20 I think this
[02:15] is 2017. It said yes, we're that couple
[02:18] who gets painting lessons together.
[02:25] There they are. Turns out this guy's
[02:28] also a buddy was a buddy of Charlie's
[02:31] and his father's got ties to the war
[02:34] machine. Here is uh here's her name was
[02:37] Erica France by the way.
[02:40] And this is from November 29th, 2017.
[02:44] And she says, "Since this is where it
[02:45] all started, I only found it appropriate
[02:47] to wish you a very happy birthday. Cash
[02:50] cab xxx your catfish."
[02:56] Here's another
[02:59] social media post from uh this is I
[03:01] guess an Instagram. I don't go on
[03:03] Instagram. This is what it looks like.
[03:05] It says uh Luna Bear Studios prepping
[03:09] another couple's gallery for delivery
[03:12] and a heart. Erica France and JT Massie
[03:17] 5, you're both amazing humans and I
[03:20] loved showing shooting with you. So much
[03:23] laughter and love. It was perfection.
[03:28] >> What?
[03:32] So, there's that. And then they
[03:33] scrubbed. And what makes it all more
[03:35] suspicious
[03:37] >> is that that uh Cash Cab guy uh Cabbat
[03:41] Phillips
[03:43] and Erica scrubbed all those posts. So
[03:46] all so the post is gone, but people
[03:48] responding to the post is there. How
[03:50] cute you are y'all.
[03:53] Oh, gorgeous couple. But the post is
[03:55] gone.
[03:58] And here's that guy with Charlie. Yes, I
[04:02] beat Cabbat one-on-one. That was from
[04:03] September 24th, 2017,
[04:07] eight years ago.
[04:12] No, not six. So that So he
[04:16] reposted that.
[04:19] Okay. He also, get this, this is weird.
[04:22] So this guy Cabbat Phillips, he's a head
[04:25] editor over at the Daily Wire, which is
[04:27] a, you know, and
[04:30] he said, "Just discovered that Obama is
[04:32] one of those dads who brings an iPad on
[04:34] vacation to take pics of his family, and
[04:36] it's the greatest thing ever." What?
[04:40] I don't understand. What is he? Is he
[04:41] doing that thing where you play both
[04:42] sides of the fence? Because that's what
[04:44] it sounds like. But guess what? So, this
[04:46] guy who's
[04:48] allegedly the ex-boyfriend of Erica
[04:51] Kirk,
[04:52] she dated him right before Charlie.
[04:54] That's the story.
[04:57] He's now being tapped to go around and
[04:59] take over for Charlie.
[05:02] It said how to lead like Charlie. Cabbat
[05:04] Phillips, senior editor, Daily Wire,
[05:07] Turning Point USA. So these do hosted by
[05:11] TurningPoint USA at South Central
[05:14] Kentucky Community and Technical
[05:16] College. So that's just one of them.
[05:20] That's December 16th, 5:30 p.m. How to
[05:24] lead like Charlie. So that isn't that
[05:26] weird? Yeah, I think it is weird.
[05:28] >> Yeah.
[05:28] >> I found this also. Monday, October 6th,
[05:31] 2025, University Union Building in
[05:34] Flagstaff, Arizona.
[05:37] How to fight like Charlie Fort Cabbat.
[05:41] What does that FT mean? FT cabbid
[05:43] Phillips. What does FT stand for? I
[05:47] don't know. But anyway, says, "How to
[05:48] fight like Charlie Cabbid Phillips."
[05:51] That's That's not even a month after the
[05:53] assassination.
[05:57] Uh here's what our friend James Lee had
[05:59] to say about it. Let's listen to James
[06:00] Lee.
[06:01] >> Erica Kirk's backstory has just been
[06:04] exposed as a giant lie. allegedly
[06:07] >> when I lived out here. I was here for 5
[06:09] years. I never dated here because I saw
[06:11] vicariously through my roommate how
[06:13] terrible it was. I just I don't drink. I
[06:15] find it unproductive.
[06:16] >> We don't know for sure if she wasn't
[06:18] drinking, but she did really enjoy
[06:20] posing with alcoholic beverages.
[06:23] >> So, that might just be her modeling. So,
[06:26] I'll cut slack on that. But, we do have
[06:28] video of her. She was on a reality show
[06:32] and she went on a date on this reality
[06:34] show and she orders a wine on the
[06:36] reality show. So, just letting you know.
[06:38] So, there's that. So, you don't have to
[06:40] you could say, "Oh, I could dismiss this
[06:41] by saying, oh, she's probably just maybe
[06:43] she's just modeling for a for
[06:45] something."
[06:47] Here's her with a glass of champagne. It
[06:50] says, "It's Wednesday, so treat yourself
[06:52] to a little champagne." And did she
[06:54] really not date while she lived in New
[06:57] York City? Well, here is a photo that
[06:59] the internet sleuth dug up from
[07:01] September of 2017
[07:04] with one Cabbat Phillips and the caption
[07:06] said, "Yes, we're that couple who gets
[07:08] painting lessons together." And here you
[07:11] could see Erica Fronie and Cabbat
[07:14] Phillips. I don't know about you, but
[07:16] that looked like a little bit more than
[07:17] just a one-off date. It looked like they
[07:19] were an actual couple, as the caption
[07:21] said. But interestingly, Kat Phillips
[07:24] was actually at one point Charlie Kirk's
[07:27] producer and he is now a senior editor
[07:30] at the [music] Daily Wire. And just
[07:32] yesterday, December 16, 2025, he gave a
[07:35] talk about quote, "How to lead like
[07:38] Charlie." You got to understand, I am
[07:40] not from this world of media. And I
[07:42] think all this kind of incestuity
[07:46] is weird to me. So, not only do we now
[07:49] know that she was dating before Charlie,
[07:51] which is fine. It's a totally normal
[07:53] thing to do, but she was also engaged,
[07:56] perhaps even married. Luna Bear Studios
[07:59] posted this on March 16th, 2015,
[08:02] prepping another couple's gallery for
[08:04] delivery. Erica France and JT Massie,
[08:08] you both are amazing humans, and I love
[08:10] shooting you. So much laughter and love.
[08:12] It was perfection. This is what happens
[08:15] when your entire image is propped up by
[08:20] something that just is not true. If you
[08:22] are not this woman, don't pretend to be.
[08:25] But the bigger point is, why does Erica
[08:27] have to lie about this? Is it just for
[08:29] her to prop up this image that she is a
[08:34] conservative woman, quote unquote,
[08:35] because you can't hide this kind of
[08:37] stuff. The internet is undefeated. Erica
[08:40] Kirk's backstory.
[08:42] So, hey, I said Shabbat shalom, James
[08:46] Lee. I said Shabbat shalom, James Lee.
[08:48] [laughter]
[08:49] I said it with my Chucky eyes.
[08:52] I said it.
[08:56] You like that pick.
[08:58] [laughter]
[09:00] So, here's someone. Uh, who is this?
[09:04] >> Knoxy. Knoxy put together an even better
[09:07] video, and some of it's really hard to
[09:09] hear, but I'll tell you what it is.
[09:10] Ready? is when I lived out here. I was
[09:12] here for 5 years.
[09:14] I never dated here because I saw
[09:16] vicariously through my roommate how
[09:18] terrible it was.
[09:19] >> I feel great about all.
[09:20] >> So, here she is on a date. So, she went
[09:22] on a reality show and here she is on a
[09:24] date.
[09:27] So, he's saying great about all of this
[09:29] and I don't know. I just wanted to get
[09:31] to know you a little bit more.
[09:34] >> There she is. They're on a date.
[09:37] >> I don't know. I just wanted to get to
[09:38] know you [music] a little bit more and
[09:40] like I mean I don't even know how long
[09:41] you've been in New York.
[09:42] >> Gosh, New York. I moved here four years
[09:45] ago.
[09:46] >> Somehow
[09:47] >> So there she is. She
[09:51] uh and she says getting drinks was a
[09:54] well
[09:54] >> getting drinks was the replacement of
[09:56] having coffee and breakfast. I
[09:58] personally would rather have coffee or
[10:00] brunch with someone than
[10:01] >> I think you're a bright light in a very
[10:03] dark place. Um so let's go grab my
[10:08] So there she is out partying there. He
[10:10] says, "Let's go grab a mojito."
[10:13] [music]
[10:14] You coming in here just like
[10:17] to [music] get your number like,
[10:20] >> "Can I get your number?" Yeah, bet.
[10:22] >> They're real.
[10:23] >> You give [music] like a mean background.
[10:25] >> This guy don't drink. I find it
[10:26] unproductive. This guy don't drink. I
[10:27] find it unproductive.
[10:30] >> So there she is. There they are on their
[10:32] first date.
[10:34] They met in that nightclub. We got her
[10:36] number. Now they are on a first date.
[10:39] Uh, you guys want to have a drink or
[10:41] food maybe? And she says, "I'll have a
[10:43] glass of your Chardonnay." [music]
[10:48] >> So, this is how good
[10:49] >> I'll have a What? It's on video.
[10:53] What are the chances we would have a
[10:55] video of her ordering a cocktail?
[11:00] I'm going to guess 100%.
[11:03] The Lord is he knew that because [music]
[11:06] I was not dating in New York City. He
[11:08] knew that in order for me to know that
[11:10] that was my man, he had to blanket
[11:13] [music] Charlie as a job interview.
[11:15] Because if that went in, no joke, if he
[11:18] came to me and said, "Hey, let's go on a
[11:20] date to Bill's Burgers." I'd be like, "I
[11:21] [music] am so sorry. I thank you, but
[11:24] no, we're not."
[11:27] [music]
[11:27] >> So, it wasn't Bill's Burgers. It was
[11:29] some place called Sugar Mama. Is that
[11:30] what it was called? I've honestly spent
[11:33] the majority of my life being [music]
[11:34] one of the most sought after bachelors.
[11:38] >> He He spent most of his life being one
[11:39] of the most soughtafter bachelors.
[11:41] That's what that guy just said.
[11:42] >> Wow. Good for him. He's got a real good
[11:44] sense of ego. [music]
[11:47] >> Two weeks later.
[11:52] >> And according to this video, two weeks
[11:54] later, she was hooked up with Charlie.
[12:04] So there you go. Uh, more real sus stuff
[12:08] coming out of her.
[12:11] I didn't date for 5 years. Does anybody
[12:13] believe that? Does anybody believe that
[12:15] woman in the bikini showing up? She
[12:17] wasn't dating it. Does anybody believe
[12:19] someone who wants to go on a reality
[12:20] show wasn't dating? Does anybody believe
[12:23] that? Somebody's living in a young
[12:25] woman, a model, sexy model
[12:29] who's who's be who's who has no problem
[12:32] doing provocative photo shoots, which I
[12:34] have nothing against, by the way. I'm
[12:36] all for provocative photo shoots, but it
[12:38] seems to go against her brand. Hey, come
[12:40] see me on tour January 11th in Wkey Ki,
[12:42] Hawaii and January 30th in Los Angeles
[12:44] at the Comedy Store. Go to jimmydor.com
[12:46] for a link for tickets.
[12:48] [music]