We're going to be here for a couple hours. Get comfortable. Bring the best libs that Utah [singing] has to offer. >> However, I'm I'm I'm disgraced to think that the man could be shot in our country any more than I would care to be shot here. >> DEI can fix it. We're not going to agree much. My final plea is this is I just hope black America stops this victim mentality and embraces a victor mentality. They'll be much better if they do that. Thank you very much. >> Well, I don't think that two bullets can make a saint out of a man who was a bad man before. I I despise the southern hypocrites who are now all legubriously groaning and moaning. What a great man he was. I think Kennedy was a terrible. >> This is just you being a white nationalist. >> Right. Well, I mean, the simple answer to the white nationalist question is I'm just I'm not, you know, I'd tell them if I were right, but I'm just not. >> To begin with, I believe a slight rebuttal is in order for your opening statements or [music] the opening statements that was made about the clan. We are not anti-atholic. We are not anti-Semitic. Uh we believe in the white race. We believe that at this point in [music] time that white Americans are being treated as secondass citizens that the federal laws, the civil rights laws have created a dual [music] system of justice in this country. They started to call me racist. Racist. And [music] I'm not saying it's because of this, but black America was getting richer. They were getting stronger. and families were largely still put together before the Great [music] Society Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act. 60 years later, black America is in a worse position. >> Give us the ballot [music] and we will no longer have to worry the federal government about our basic rights. >> I'm not saying it's because [music] of the Civil Rights Act. I'm not saying it's because the Voting Rights Act, but somewhere something went arry. Give us the ballot and we will no longer plead to the federal government for passage of an anti-ynching law. Organization has begun for the American science. >> We have showed them that there is all out resistance to communism. The communists are revolutionists and I think the black revolution is part of it. We will by the power of our vote write the law on the statue books of the south and bring an end to the dastardly acts of the hooded perpetrators of >> wild mildly unpleasant to stop and we have decided that if some groups will go to prison more often than others [music] then it's just not worth having real laws. >> God has commanded us to separate ourselves from other races. Uh in fact that's not a unique stand. Billy Graham just a few years ago himself segregated his uh crusade audiences. He preached segregation. Uh the Southern Baptist and the in the National Baptist, one was black, one was white. They practice and preach. >> I'm not worried about people not being served at lunch counters anymore. >> Yeah. And the Civil Rights Act, though, let's be clear, created a beast, and that beast has now turned [music] into an anti-white. >> But there are a number of clan organizations, and I gather it is not yours, who march in tandem, arm in arm with members of the American Nazi party. People have to understand that this is actually encoded into our law. The Civil Rights Act originally was uh implemented with the idea that of course we wanted equal treatment for people of all races in the United States. But what quickly happened is that the courts developed this doctrine of disperate impact. We feel that affirmative action is discriminating against right white people. And there is no question about it. Two wrongs don't make a right. Because black people were hurt and discriminated against in the past does not justify the discrimination against white people now. We're asking for an end to that. >> The Civil Rights Act was a new founding where we decided to discard the US Constitution and reconstitute [music] the story, the mantra, the creed, and the vision of America. And you even see this in Republican circles as well. Well, they say, well, you know, the Civil Rights Act corrected a lot of the errors of the Constitution. No, it didn't. We came along. The right-wing was strictly a talking and literature passing society party. We're ready to get down in the guards and fight to die for what we believe in as I did in World War II in Korea. >> Melissa Horman, a member of the Minnesota House of [music] Representatives and her husband Mark were murdered on Saturday. >> Uh we simply are the fighting arm of the so-called conservatives. >> There's no place for this kind of violence in our country. >> Not going to tolerate brutality and we're not going to tolerate >> the Constitution says people have equal rights. Imagine just treating people equally. The Civil Rights Act does not treat people equally [music] because the legal theory under the Civil Rights Act is [singing] disperate impact. >> Like a white man went in and took some [ __ ] out of the school and hooked them up. [music] >> No such happened. >> Then uh demonstrations and violence have never solved any problem yet and won't solve [music] this one. >> You believe Soviet Union sold the Soviet Union? Let's stop now. Right there. How about that Soviet Union? They sat on the international court of justice at Nuremberg. Do you believe in the Soviet justice? >> Do you disbelieve in the evidence accumulated by your own government of the United States and by the government of Britain at the FBI places and there are procedures that can be followed and should be >> Why did you say that the civil rights bill? >> I didn't say that. I said it was a mistake. >> Why? That's crazy. >> I wouldn't be here. That's trouble. Yes. Counting or not counting gang violence. GREAT. Go get over there. [music] Charlie Kirk was a guy on the internet and his assassination on September 10th, 2025 by alleged meme lord Tyler Robinson resulted in a month of firings, threats, memes, and arrests, all attempting in some way to capitalize on the outspoken capitalist's death. Takes around the moment include the usual spats over who's actually at fault for the shooter's actions and the conditions in America that led to the shooting. All stuff we've heard a million times before. But now with the added threat of a desperate and alien President Donald Trump threatening sweeping censorship against Kirk's detractors and limp threats of reprisal [music] from Kirk's peers and supporters. Writers Tanahesy Coats and Ezra Klein had a conversation recently which plays out as a perfect microcosmic [music] glimpse into something I've been thinking about both following and long before the Kirk assassination. In short, Klein beatified Kirk and death. And Coats, in my opinion, rightfully took umbrage with Klein's interpretation of this moment in history, writing a rebuttal piece that led eventually to this conversation. >> I can for this moment find some way to grieve [music] with you, to see your friend the way or in some version of the way you saw him, right? That's not my view of, you know, the person's [music] whole legacy. But going to people when they're grieving like that and saying, "Listen, I want to tell you really what I thought of your friend." [music] just feels it feels like not what you do in a a kind of a a community. >> So, I guess >> that was [music] part of my reaction, too. >> You know, I think all of that is understandable, but I guess was silence not an option. >> During the conversation, Klein is danced around possibly the most stunning revelation of his life, that he has nothing valuable to say about this important political moment. His desire to engage in conversation about Kirk is ultimately based around his feelings, mostly fear, and kinship with a man whose politics are indistinguishable from those of a clansman. Coats, who is a black American, seems in counterpoint a touch exasperated by not just the conversation, but the road leading to it as well. I call this phenomena liberal chellation theory which basically states that a political speaker who makes money off a political cause but is not also a stakeholder in that cause will always be tempted to maintain the status quo in order to continue making a living off talking about a situation [music] instead of changing it following they will proaricate and distract and hand rering about direct action doing everything to diminish the concept to vagaries and hypotheticals while paying constant lip service to its value maintaining a political fugue state within their followers and adherence where action is seen as both necessary and impossible due to an everexpanding list of obstacles. The state is similar to heavy metal poisoning in the human body for which the treatment is when appropriate a process called therapeutic chalation. Introduction of a substance which forms a chemical bond around the poisoning metal and separates it from the body for evacuation. Kirk's death, regardless of your feelings about the morality or legality of the situation, was a highly effective act of political violence against a core pillar of the American evangelical conservative movement. Kirk was a longtime personal friend to the Trump family and without a doubt the most influential conservative voice to people under the age of around 50 in a powerful but aging political movement. There are plenty of voices, particularly in the online sphere Kirk dominated, who enjoy a great deal of influence and success and crossover with Kirk's audience. Audience, however, only goes so far when it comes to mainstreaming the 60-year-old political project, which was Kirk's bread and butter, to people under the age of 40, while still appealing to the affluent and ancient conservative donor base that selects conservative politicians. The few of Kirk's contemporaries who weren't too black, too Jewish, too female, [music] or even too Catholic to be led in the front door are disgusting freaks like Asminold or the Quartering, degenerates like Milo Yiannopoulos or Nick Fuentes, or insufferable closet cases like Steven Crowder. Charlie Kirk was a charismatic wasp with a boring daylight who towed the line, stayed on message, and knew through the grid coordinate where his bread was buttered. Outside some egregious and unlikely error on his part, Kirk would have preached hate for decades to come to an ever growing audience of America first fascists. But now he's dead. And the time, money, attention, and consideration the conservative movement invested in him to bridge their message to tomorrow is wasted. Just for the court's information, we did file just recently within the last few minutes a notice of intent to seek [music] the death penalty that was filed uh by Utah County Attorney Jeff [music] Gray. So that should be in the court's file. Um >> the sheer intensity of the reaction to Kirk's death shows just how valuable he was as a figurehead to the conservatives. Kirk through his programming created a new conservative ideal of leftists as a feat. easily angered college students who didn't actually know what they believed and were too timid to act on their impotent aggression otherwise. Essentially a blueprint for bullying that formed the body of conservative messaging for the last decade. The only thing that could break this delusion would be for a leftist to harm Kirk and for them to do so in a way that humiliated him on the world stage. Worse still, for that violence to be disregarded, accepted, or even celebrated and mocked by a sizable portion of Americans. We've watched legions of far-left radicals resort to desperate acts of violence and terror because they know that their ideas and arguments are persuading no one. They know that they're failing. They have the devil's ideology and they're failing and they know it. They feel it and they become violent. especially in the wake of Charlie's assassination. Our country must have absolutely no tolerance for this radical left violence, extremism, and terror. We're done with the angry mobs, and we're none we're not going to let our cities be unsafe. >> Thus, following Kirk's literally comedically timed assassination on September 10th, the conservative movement in general has reacted like a wounded animal. They are hunting people online to have them fired, threatening mass violence, making songs about lynching people, etc. The Trump administration is even pressuring broadcasters to crack down on non-sympathetic messaging via the Federal Communications Commission, resulting in longtime late night talk show host Jimmy Kimmel being temporarily taken off the air by Sinclair Media. In the midst of this, a swath of creators who've made money pedalling leftist messages online have come forward to condemn not just the violence against Kirk, but the positive reaction to that violence from their contemporaries. These people follow the general pattern of being well established on their respective platforms, white, economically comfortable, and seeming generally to come from a soft, sheltered background. Imagine, you know, imagine being a 12-year-old. >> Violence against Charlie Kirk awoken them a shocking and sudden sense of class solidarity, not with workers or disadvantaged peoples or even gun violence victims, but rather the elevated political commentary class. And so seeing one of their own harmed, they reacted extremely to the news in attempt to quell any future violence and mitigate the risks to themselves, generalizing violence as an all over ill instead of weighing the situation from a materialist perspective. In doing so, these creators have separated themselves permanently into their newly found class, undergoing, as suggested before the process of liberal chellation. Don't make that line be one between the left and right because if you do make that line fall between the left and right, I will side with the right. This is not about party lines. So don't >> Dean Withers is the most egregious example of this in action, going so far as to say he'd abandon his position entirely over celebration of the violence against Kirk, largely because he identified with Kirk as a contemporary and peer class solidarity, literally. But I'd also like to focus on the statements of a creator I'm more familiar with, Australian political commentator Jordan Shanks, known as Friendly Jordies on YouTube. What other developed nation insists on degrading their democracy did that of a third world banana republic where assassinations are seen as just another campaign tool? As an outsider, I can assure you that the rest of the civilized world has always looked on in morbid curiosity at the United States who seem to not only tolerate but expect a certain level of political violence in its democratic process. As if this were almost an experimental element of free speech. But the fact that the commentary almost as quickly as the bullet had exited Charlie's neck immediately shifted to questioning whether or not Charlie Ko deserved to die or further if violence is now justified I think anyway if you will pardon the phrase is a turning point. In his follow-up video to the Kirk assassination titled Turning Point, he decries political violence and proviolence standpoints in America as some sort of novel incident of especially generation Z's chronic internet habits, rationalizing their Shardan Freud by saying that this is the society that Charlie Kirk wanted. So did you. Only 67% of millennials and just 44% of Gen Z, that is less than half of Gen Z, think that violence is never acceptable against an elected official. What's the common denominator within these two demographics? They're the ones that are the most online. >> His primary sources are a solitary poll he found to support his thesis and more to the point, his own vibes is a guy who's read about America and also watched a lot of videos on it. Shanks, in a serious tone, reminds the largely white, largely middle class group of educated generation Z viewers he intended to address to not act like violent brown people. >> The United States is not country X. It is supposedly the leader of the free world and it plunging to the democratic doldrums of a Colombia or Pakistan where killing is as acceptable in the so-called democratic processes voting. That's globally significant which is a choice to say the least especially considering Russia exists and has been carrying out domestic assassinations and international chemical attacks for decades. Shanks video is almost shocking in its childish naive and outright ignorance of American history. There is nothing remotely new about political violence in America. And if anything, the most you could say is that it's considerably tamer these days. He compares Kirk's assassination to that of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. It makes the sort of speech only a middle class, foreign, colonial, Anglo can really make, implying a sense of sober reflection and political unity followed Kennedy's death. When John F. Kennedy was assassinated, leaders from across the aisle and newspapers, regardless of their affiliations and leanings, condemned the act and somberly called for national unity. Not that this was needed as the citizenry itself, bar the far-off minuscule fringes, were already a mourning. There wasn't an air of partisanship about it because they were civically minded enough to know that they weren't just mourning a national tragedy. They were mourning an attack on the presidency itself, an attack on an institution vital for the democratic process to function. No one had to tell them this. They knew it. They understood that Kennedy's assassination was bigger than politics. It was civics. That this wasn't just an attack on the player, but an attack on the game itself. >> In the first place, the Negro has never been as docel as white Americans wanted to believe. >> Are you are you upset with the fact that they're here? >> We are. >> Why is it? >> Well, I don't want to tell you. >> What would happen if they left? Well, they can't stay here all the time. >> You think it's important to arrest the people who are beating up newsmen in this town? >> Well, some of them needs a cleaning. >> Some of whom possible. >> Some of the news men needs the cleaning and the and the cameraman's all >> because they won't tell the truth. >> I got up. >> Is that the way to handle people really having to beat up by people? >> No. >> No, it's not. No, >> that was a myth. We were not singing and dancing down the levey. We were trying to keep alive. We were trying to survive a very brutal system. >> Yeah, I do believe >> I think negro children will be continuing to go to school here no matter what happens. [music] >> Yes. >> Without violence. >> That's right. >> Now, we're going to have a little violence. We've always had it. >> That goes in anything. >> That goes in any town or anything else. See, I wouldn't say we wouldn't have no violence in Gator cuz that'd be making too [music] big a statement. >> Of course, some people say a little is too much. Well, I would >> 100%. >> The [ __ ] has never been happy in his place. What those kids first of all prove, >> first of all, that they prove that they come from a long line of fighters. >> Kennedy's death preceded a surge in Ku Klux Clan membership growth and one of the most violent periods for black Americans [music] and anybody remotely seen as supporting them in US history. Focusing on just a few instances of the literal thousands of murders, assassinations, lynchings, and uncountable instances of daily violence, we have the 1964 disappearance and murder of Andrew Goodman, James Earl Cheney, and Michael Henry Schwarner by clansmen in and around the town of Philadelphia, Mississippi. William Simmons is secretary of the Jackson Citizens Council, editor of its newspaper, and president of its forum, which produced radio and television programs, attacking the advance of integration. The south has a large [ __ ] population. Uh in our state, it's about 42% of the total. And anyone with two eyes in his head and with uh roughly normal vision can look around him and see that there is a vast and permanent [music] difference between the white and colored people. The subsequent investigation was immortalized in the 1988 film Mississippi Burning. >> Well, the question we all [music] ask ourselves while watching Mississippi Burning is where were we in 1964? I'll ask you the same thing, Jean. >> Well, I'm embarrassed to say that I was in New York, uh, working on my own projects, you know, trying to to make make a living as an actor and not really involved in civil rights. And I I think I was probably [music] like a lot of Americans that that was something that was happening in Mississippi. and I was uninvolved with that and it was a really an armslength [music] deal. >> Civil rights figures were assassinated throughout the 1960s including Malcolm X 1965. >> Who do you feel is responsible for the death of Malcolm X? >> As I have restated and I'll restate again that the white racist power structure in this country engineered the death of Malcolm X as they engineered the death of Leumba Daghammer show John F. Kennedy and threatens the life of the crewman Benella. The same forces. >> Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 1968. >> Dr. Martin Luther King, the apostle of nonviolence in the civil rights movement, has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee. Police have issued an all points bulletin for a well-dressed young white man seen running from the scene. Officers also reportedly chased and fired on a radio equipped car containing two white men. Dr. The King was standing on the balcony of a second floor hotel room tonight when, according to an companion, a shot was fired from across the street. In the friend's words, the bullet [music] exploded in his face. >> Edwin Pratt, 1969. Alongside an untold number of Americans killed through intentional misuse of state power, such as in the Orangeberg massacre of student protesters, 1968. Many of the students were angered at news reports that sniper fire had come from the campus long before the highway patrolman opened up with a salvo of shotgun blasts. This was positively confirmed today by state law enforcement officials who found themselves flat against the ground as bullets wind close to their ears last night. An official who witnessed this the battle, but would not be quoted by name, said that when the highway patrolman was felled by a blow to the face, it was presumed that he had been shot. He said warning shots were not fired at that time because it was long beyond the warning stage. When when uh this all broke out, did you ever feel that uh your actions [music] in uh keeping Negroes from your bowling alley here in Orangeburg would catapult you and Orangeberg into national limelight? >> No, sir. >> Have you any plans to close your bowling alley as has been demanded by students at South Carolina State and Claplin? >> No, sir. >> Have you any plans to admit negroes as requested by students at these institutions? I will continue to operate my business as I have in the past under the same uh way that I have and I do not continue uh uh contemplating on changing. >> Uh demonstrations [music] and violence have never solved any problem yet and won't solve this one. And if there's a matter of going in and using certain facilities [music] and there's a question involved, the courts are available. The courts have been used before. I don't think this will solve the [music] problem for the crowded uh dockets throughout the state of South Carolina. Uh I think this is unfair to give uh these larger county extra circuit judges when your other circuits do not have this the benefit of the other judges and of course it's all being paid for by the taxpayers state of South Carolina. I don't think it's treating the smaller counties and the smaller circuits fair, which have a lot of them have a quite a bit of uh litigation in. Also, the reason for this violence, if you're not American, was what's called the American civil rights movement, which at the time was largely focused on ending de facto and dejur segregation and discrimination against nonWASP Americans. Dejare meaning it was literally the law and deacto meaning it wasn't the written law, but was common practice. should make us go out with more determination. This should cause us to go out more determined than ever before >> to achieve our rights. So let us get rid of fear. The fear of going to jail. >> The fear of going down to register and vote. >> The fear of losing a job. >> That's right. >> We get rid of that. Nobody can stop. Starting for brevity with the Brown v. Board of Education decision of 1954, we have school segregation in simplest terms being declared unconstitutional and the following civil rights act of 1957, a voting protection act considered by the people of the time too watered down after mass interference with the bill by highly racist Dixie Democrats. This led to the Civil Rights Act of 1960, establishing federal inspection of local voter registration polls and introducing penalties for voter obstruction or interference, a major issue at the time for non-white Americans. Kennedy was assassinated before the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which is the one people call the Civil Rights Act in America, which outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin. In that same year, the 24th amendment to the US Constitution was ratified, prohibiting the payment of pole taxes to vote in federal elections, which primarily affected just the five remaining states who maintained a pole tax for federal elections, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia. In the following year, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, prohibiting racial discrimination in voting, was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson. Today is a triumph for freedom, as huge as any victory that's ever been won on any battlefield. Yet to seize the meaning of this day, we must [music] recall darker times. Three and a half centuries ago, the first negroes arrived at Jamestown. They did not arrive in brave ships in search of a home for freedom. They did not mingle fear and joy in expectation that in this new world anything would be possible to a man strong enough to reach for it. They came in darkness and they came in chains. And today we strike away the last major shackle of those fierce and ancient bonds. >> The Voting Rights Act is essentially the piece of legislation people are imagining whenever they suggest America stopped being racist at some point. And it was massive in both scope and controversy. As expected, the most angry opposition to the bill came from Dixie lawmakers like Senator STM Thurman of South Carolina. >> This uh so-called civil rights proposals which the president has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law are unconstitutional, unnecessary, unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress. legendary racist and long-erving South Carolina Senator Strom Thurman, who set the record for the longest singleperson Senate filibuster when he spoke against passing the 1957 Civil Rights Act for 24 hours and 18 minutes, eventually voted against the Voting Rights Act and switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican party ahead of the 1964 presidential election over frustrations with the party's ineffective leadership, kicking off the party switch that created the modern Republican party. recent statements of Senator Barry Goldwater and in some cases Richard Nixon. Do you think there is a real danger of the Republican party becoming the white man's party in this country? >> I think this is a real danger and I've talked with some uh Negro Republicans who are very concerned about this. Uh I see trends and developments which uh will reveal that unless the liberals of the Republican party take uh a much more play a much more decisive role in leadership positions, this will become a white man's party. And I think this would be tragic for the Republican party as well as tragic for the nation. The last major civil rights act of the 1960s was the Civil Rights Act of 1968, commonly known as the Fair Housing Act, prohibiting discrimination based on race, religion, or national origin when selling, renting, or financing housing, amongst other provisions. This was signed into law during the riots following Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's assassination at the Lraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee. Shanks suggests in his video that the American president in 1963 was somehow a symbol of democracy, but he absolutely wasn't. And that was sort of the point. In 1963, the constitutional amendments securing the right to vote were largely uninforced. Those being the 14th, 15th, 19th, and the newly passed 24th amendments. It took decades of intervention by federal authorities and further expansion of the various civil rights laws passed in that era to achieve just enough equity in America for future President Barack Obama to be called a Kenyan Muslim by future President Donald Trump. And America was rife with political violence of all stripes in those interimm years as well. President Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinckley in 1981. From 1978 to 1995, eotterrorist and serial murderer Ted Kazinski would mail bombs to prominent businessmen, scientists, and others as an act of political defiance against the industrial revolution and its consequences. And again, in 1995, Timothy McVey and Terry Nichols would plan and execute the Oklahoma City bombing, the largest domestic terror attack on US soil to this day. San Francisco Board of Supervisors member and gay rights activist Harvey Mil would be assassinated in his office in 1978, just 3 years before the start of the AIDS epidemic and its intentional exacerbation by the Reagan administration in an act of genocide against homosexuals both in America and abroad. >> We are talking about a broad ground swell of white [music] power activity, militant right activity. The Proud Boys have to be considered alongside other public-f facing groups like the Oathkeepers and um and 2enters and similar groups like this, other January [music] 6th groups and also alongside the violent underground of this movement which includes groups like Adam Waffen and the base um may or may not eventually turn out to include other sorts of underground activity [music] um and other sorts of attack and certainly includes the quote unquote lone wolf shootings in Jacksonville and Buffalo and Charleston and Christ Church and El Paso and Pittsburgh. We can go on and on and on. This is all part of the same movement. >> The vast majority of political assassinations and acts of terrorism against private citizens in America are carried out by white conservatives upset about some immediate political grievance. And it's always been that way since the very founding of America on the dual tenants of enslavement of Africans and genocide of Native Americans. This idea of a calmer, better America. An America focused on democracy and fair dealing and free speech is in the kindest terms a dream and in the most accurate terms a hallucination. >> So what happened here in Minnesota in the early morning darkness of June 14th with the political assassinations of Melissa and Mark [music] and what happened to myself, my wife Evette, and my daughter hope was pure evil. It was a political attack on public servants and public service and it was aimed squarely and slowly at our party and it was a wake-up call. What is happening at a national level, the persistent dehumanizing narratives and conspiracy theories and public discourse are fueling the radicalization of individuals willing to engage in political violence against perceived opponents. not okay. I'm still slowly recovering from my gunshot wounds. Nine [music] of them. If you want to see the pattern on my body, it's the same pattern that's in my red door that I no longer have. Although, I do still have a long way to go. suggesting the 1960s when America was in the heart of the Cold War when J. Edgar Hoover's Federal Bureau of Investigation had paused its mass interference into the lives of suspected communists of the McCarthyism era to pursue mass surveillance and intimidation campaigns against black people literally fighting for their right to vote isn't just an absurdity. It's a white supremacist dog whistle. Make America great again. I'm sure you're familiar. The idea of a better America that existed before division and violence in some ill-defined past is encapsulated in the phrase make America great again. And it's what Charlie Kirk actively pushed for both as the founder of Turning Point USA and as a personal friend and confidant of the Trump family. >> You know, I talk to him sometimes and say, "This guy is like a young guy." He was really a wise man. From the time Charlie worked on my presidential campaign in 2016, and he was there right from the beginning. He liked me. I don't know. I have no idea why. What the hell was he thinking? He said, "You're going to win, sir." I said, "You know, I'm running against 17 senators and a lot of tough people and governors. We have all these people." And he said, "No, you're going to win, sir." He said, "Not going to be close." And he made it happen. He helped make it happen. I'll tell you that. And he is going to make heaven. I said, "I'm not sure I can make it, but he's going to make it. He's there. And he's looking down on us right now. It's so incredible. Look at this. How this turned out. This was supposed to be so dark and cloudy. Not dark and cloudy, [music] is it? Look at that. How beautiful that is. >> The way you make America great again to these people is by repealing the Civil Rights Acts to before the Voting Rights Act of 1964 and the 1964 Civil Rights Act and begin returning black Americans to secondclass citizens. Charlie Kirk's messaging, his entire platform and existence really, was based around the elimination of rights for anybody who's not wealthy, Protestant, white, and male. And as an actual American, it gives me a warm and fuzzy to know that every time I talk about him until the day I die, it will be in the past tense. Jordan Shanks and other white fair weather liberals like Dean Withers have expressed a distaste for violence I find alien to my core. Once upon a time in America, coal miners lived in such miserable conditions they were essentially indistinguishable from slavery. Common slavery, not the advanced form of cattle slavery practiced by the American founding fathers and eventually cribbed by Adolf Hitler as a method of staffing his work camps. American coal miners, victimized too long by the parasite capitalist coal bosses, eventually took up arms to defend themselves against the corporate mercenary armies and even National Guard forces sent to break up their striking unions. The coal wars would see union and unionizing coal workers across America shooting and killing scabs, coal bosses and strike breakers and the endless fight to get their fair share of their labor. Dead strike breakers, dead union bosses, dead scabs, and the folks who had the courage to put them in the ground are the reason we have workers rights in America today. Shanks, Weathers, Klene, and other white liberals who've tried to turn Kirk's death into a moment of reflection or a call to calm down the rhetoric all come off as far more fixated on their own health and safety as prominent exploiters of political causes than they do earnest political actors. If I wanted to be a grifter and say stuff for attention and money, I would have taken the path of least of least resistance. I wouldn't have lost my families. I wouldn't have been socially ostracized. I would have grifted on the right 110%. I thought I didn't grift on the right. You wouldn't be on social media and you wouldn't make money. police resistance. Going to the right is so >> Shanks specifically calls Kirk a martyr and suggest his influence has never been bigger. >> Blame anything you like on the demise of the US in recent decades. Every boogeyman is probably going to have some level of validity to it. But that mindset right there, Charlie had it coming. That's going to be the nail in the coffin. It won't have the effect that they think it'll have either as has already happened. He's become far more influential than he ever was alive. He's been elevated from commentator to martyr. What did you think was going to happen? Is that mission accomplished? Is it Tyler? >> While not really mentioning that Kirk is a martyr for the repeal of the Civil Rights Act, and the only influence he has is on racists. Even Kirk's firearm proliferation rhetoric is simply a method of reframing gun violence from a conversation on proliferation and access to a screed against urban crime statistics, as evidenced by his literal last words on Earth. The thought as well that Kirk's legacy poses a greater risk in death than it did in life is laughable at best. It is first off plainly assumptive, especially if your connection to America is via Twitter and YouTube and friends you've made through Twitter and YouTube. In my life, I've seen the Republican pundit of the moment come and go for decades now with Rush Limbbo, Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, and even new names like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder be replaced the second they're no longer at the heart of the zeitgeist. Kirk's value to right-wingers was first in being young and conservative and then when that ended in being a good middle road voice for blending white supremacy with moderate conservatism through dog whistling and massaged statistics. Now that he's dead, he can't do that. And nothing about his life or messaging or contributions is so unique in my mind that it'll have any more staying power than his own mortal flesh. literally being alive in this moment to act as that bridge between old school racism and new school tactics was the only valuable thing about the man. No, these soft-bellied white people are just afraid of having to die for what they say they believe in. And they are so [ __ ] scared of it, they're downplaying what amounts to possibly being one of the most effective acts of political violence in American history. >> Tyler has a point. I know this is of no concession. In fact, it might even come off as gloating, and perhaps it is. But I was the target of a failed assassination attempt. What always made me feel like Australia is a good place is the fact that even my political enemies, and I can assure you I have many, they came out and publicly declared, even if it was for internet clout, that it was unacceptable. Regardless of how self- serving and click-thungry the performance was, the performance still had to be performed to an audience that believed that political violence cannot ever be justified. It cannot be rationalized. Yes, we have violent political outbursts every now and then. Every country does. but it will find no safe harbor here. It is a line in the sand that the general public will not cross. Regardless of what is ever finally confirmed about the shooter and his motivations, the assassination of Charlie Kirk has shattered the class barrier between political speech and political violence of which he and his ilk have long availed themselves. Kirk made his money like Shapiro or Crowder or the Quartering or Asmin Gold or Candace Owens or Tim Pull or Nick Fuentes by saying egregious, untrue and outrageous things without fear of reprisal or punishment. So, you know, it's funny. I used to say that, hey, if you as a [music] gay person would go to Gaza, they'd throw you off of tall buildings. Right now, they don't have any tall buildings left, so I don't [laughter] [applause] >> When you mess with the bull, you get the horns. >> Is Is that too soon? I'm sorry. Maybe you shouldn't kill Jews, stupid Muslims. being provocative while also being insulated from the potential violence of that provocation by relying on state power to protect themselves. Playing up this fictitious and extremely online idea of free speech in which you can say whatever you want and must never face any consequences for doing so. That's never been the case for American free speech. However, people who fall outside the establishment's protection, who aren't failsafe against reprisal by state power or powerful donors or massive crowds of supporters on and offline, or even by the simple situational convenience of self-employment, have never been able to express themselves to the same extent as these pundits. Right-wingers are currently availing themselves of this fact by getting people who say they're happy about Charlie Kirk dying, a reasonable and first amendment protected opinion, put on little blacklists like Jews in the Holocaust. Funnily enough, that's how Kirk actually got his start by being an anti-free speech warrior, creating the same list of subversives, teachers, and politicians you'd see being held up to Adolf Ikeman at his trial in Nerburgg. The enemy will always try to exaggerate the measures used against in order simply to awaken pity and with the hope that they will be discontinued. Ever since we have begun to intensify our measures against the Jewish enemy, >> he has been trying by means of anonymous letters to practically all institutions of the right escape the fate he deserves. >> With Kirk's assassination, the singular and class- ccentric freedom of being a provocator, safe from one's provocations, of speaking and having others pay the price of your speech, of insulation from reprisal has vanished overnight. The cost for being a public Nazi, for being an advocate for white supremacy, is rising. Even if the shooter isn't politically aligned with these ideals, the reaction to Kirk's death is really all that mattered. The small and fervent celebrations, the bride eyes and raised defiant chins, the deafening collective sigh of relief. The whispers in every corner of this country, every part of the internet. Who cares? Who's next? These are the ailments which have slipped from Pandora's box. And at risk of overextending the metaphor, all that remains after the panicked and fearful shutting is hope. Today we received here at national headquarters of the American Nazi party the mortal remains of Commander George Lincoln Rockwell. Where Shanks most egregiously heirs in my opinion is his failure to make the more apt comparison of Charlie Kirk and his assassination not to President Kennedy but to that of George Lincoln Rockwell whom Kirk in spirit and practice modeled his life after. >> If I were religious I would say Hitler was the second coming of Christ. I think Hitler was a gift from providence. I think he was so far above anything that I'll be able to accomplish that it's almost sacriiggious for me to to speak of myself in the same terms with Hitler. But this is your objective to model yourself as closely as possible. >> My objective is to carry out what Hitler started. Not to model my own person on Hitler because this is impossible. >> Do you consider yourself the second furer? >> Not I don't even use the word fur. I'm not a German. I'm an American as you're a Canadian. Uh I consider myself uh in terms of bulcheism I would be the lenin to uh to Marx and in terms of Christianity I'm the St. Paul to Hitler's Christ. In other words, I am the spreader, the world spreader of a doctrine which Hitler uh originated and it was crucified dead and buried and it is now rising. >> Rockwell, a United States naval veteran of the Second World War and the Korean War, founded the American Nazi party in 1959, 2 years after the passing of the First Civil Rights Act. Though Rockwell and his legacy aren't often discussed in the modern era, the man himself is the template for modern cryptofascists like Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk. Rockwell would dress in a tailored Nazi uniform and counterprotest civil rights marchers, purposefully agitating people in order to get a reaction and drum up attention for his cause. >> Well, you have come before hearings and other meetings dressed in uniform. Why are you not dressed in a uniform today? >> I have never come before any hearing dressed in a uniform. I use the uniform to agitate. When Martin Luther [ __ ] is out in the streets agitating, why I agitate back and the uniform is very good for agitating. for appearing before a hearing. It's a uh uh it's a mental battle of wits, not a battle of agitation. >> Like Kirk, he would defer criticism of his racist beliefs by hiring token minorities. >> People think I'm anti-Jewish and anti-semitic. This is a lot of baloney. In my speech, I shall bring that out that this is simply not true. Uh I one of my top men in California until I put him in jail recently, is Leonard Holstein, a Jew, and I think he's one of the finest young men I ever met. >> Would a white supremacist organization host a black leadership summit? >> Yes. Certainly. I spoke before 11,000 Negroes in Chicago with the black Muslims and uh the uh reaction was very very favorable. >> Uh yes, the black nationalists in Harlem. There's a lot of negroes that agree with. >> You can be >> would a white supremacist organization have a black female communications director for over >> Yes, there are ideological shields. Yes, there are ideological shields that further your talking points and who are every much as committed to bigotry and white supremacy. >> Would a white supremacist organization host the nation's largest young Latino [music] leadership summit for 5 years straight? >> Yes. >> Well, I hope that when I have finished speaking, they will realize that I am not a bigot. I'm a man who believes in telling the truth. I think in the hearts of most Americans, there are a lot of things they don't dare say because they're hypocrites. and fear has settled like a fall all over our country. I don't think I'm a bigot. I'm simply a man who was telling facts that everybody else is afraid to tell. >> And hide the worst aspects of his beliefs behind double speak and cheap appeals to nationalism. When in reality, his largest focus was creating a white Christian America through expulsion and dimmonition of non-whites, Jews, and the conversion or genocide of homosexuals. >> Well, Martin Luther [ __ ] is a good example. I would say I will say this. If I had the funds to do it and I could ship uh 5,000 Negroes, let us call them up to your city tomorrow [music] morning, you'd have a negro problem. And it wouldn't be long before you'd be saying, "Well, now what are we going to do about this thing?" >> You send them up in cattle cars or greyhound buses coming in. >> Well, I think the Negroes would be more comfortable. [music] Most of them in a cattle car. >> Yes. Well, I just wondered which way you'd rather see them go. >> Well, I think the Negroes themselves would prefer to go the way they live. I think they'd like to get a couple of wine bottles and their heroin and their numbers game and everything. get in the cattle car where they all crawl all over each other. >> How do you feel about the allegations that the American Nazi party has strong homosexual tendencies? >> I will say this, in my organization, I have men who were homosexuals. They were sucked into that filth just like drunkards or dope fiends, and I have been able to rescue them. And I'm not a bit ashamed to that. I'll stand shoulder-to-shoulder with any one of them any day. The only thing I will not tolerate is a homosexual who is a homosexual. >> This is one of your enemies. >> That's one of the biggest enemies. I'd rather gas queers than anybody else. >> Rockwell was shot to death by John Patler, an expelled member of the American Nazi party in 1967, but his method of Americanizing and normalizing Nazism remains a mainstay in conservative politics both here and abroad. The Q movement, MAGA, America First, and other similar organizations are all generational offspring of Rockwell's ideals and his methods, if not those of his immediate subordinates and associates. One of Rockwell's best known subordinates in the American Nazi party, William Luther Pierce, would go on to pen the Turner Diaries, essentially the Bible of American white supremacy. >> We're like a big family, a tribe. >> This is William Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries, >> solidarity, >> a man see as the intellect behind the racist movement. That's why they have promoted every sort of diversity as they call it. Homosexuals, non-white racial minorities, feminists, their fellow Jews, of course, everybody except normal, healthy, decent white men and women. >> The Turner Diaries contains the DNA of the modern conservative movement, especially MAGA, with its focus on a violent clandestine resistance to the great replacement of white Christians by Bolevik or atheist Jews. As you have said, we are not out to liquidate the Jews. We are out to liquidate communist traders. Unfortunately, too many Jewish atheists, not religious Jews, but too many religious uh atheist Jews are mixed up in communism. That's our only concern with the Jews. >> What some might call postmodern neo-Marxism, for instance. Pierce's novel distributed through gun shows and Soldier of Fortune magazine as a pro-cond amendment text would go on to inspire Timothy McVeyy's April 19th, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Mura Federal Building in Oklahoma City, [music] killing 169 people and injuring a further 685. Uh around [music] 9:30, 9:35 was very early on. As I said, the fires were still burning and uh uh I remember [music] part of that sight assessment was just to get a sense of of what had gone on. And uh you could still see people trapped in the upper floors of the building and uh of course the firefighters were putting the fires out and uh paramedics and ambulance. There are a lot of lot of wounded people walking wounded. >> 15 yesterday morning our bomb went off. These are words from the book, The Turner Diaries. >> Most of the victims of our bomb were only pawns. But there is no [music] way we can destroy the system without hurting many thousands of innocent people. >> They are only words, but some believe they are words that can kill. >> I think there's [music] little doubt that McVey was simply copycatting the fictional bombing in the [music] Turner diaries almost to the letter. According to court testimony, excerpts from the book were found in a sealed envelope in McVeyy's car after his arrest. Inside McVeyy's car, law enforcement agents later found a large sealed envelope, said special assistant US attorney Joseph Harter, lead prosecutor in United States v. McVey in his opening statements. It contains writings of magazines from photo copies from magazines and from newspapers. The book is entitled The Turner Diaries. It's a fictional account of an attack on the federal government which is carried out with a truck bomb blowing up a federal building and killing hundreds of people. In the clipping that McVey had with him on this day of the bombing talks about the value of killing innocent people for a cause. It reads and he highlighted this, the real value of our attacks today lies in the psychological impact, not in the immediate casualties. For all that one might say against political violence, there exists in contrast a direct line of inspiration between George Rockwell, the first American neo-Nazi, and those people who died at the hands of Timothy McVey. >> Villainous, traitorous, cowardly. >> Pierce joined the ranks of extremists when he met George Lincoln Rockwell, head of the American Nazi party in 1966. Pierce left behind a career as a physics professor and joined Rockwell's movement. think that Hitler was in a position much like the police in Los Angeles when the [ __ ] rioted to the point where there was no more possibility of civil order. >> After Rockwell's assassination by a former Nazi sympathizer, Pierce started the National Alliance, the home for his mail order empire. Pier says the Turner Diaries alone has sold more than 185,000 copies. Also hanged from lamposts and trees are politicians, reporters, teachers, judges, anyone who rejects Pierce's ideas of racial purity. >> Probably the most important idea expressed in the Turner Diaries uh is that each of us has a responsibility for what's happening in the world around him. That each person has to stop being a spectator and start being a participant. Many words were levied to George Rockwell in his short near decade as the head of the American Nazi party. And not a one of them shook his resolve to preach hate. >> WE DON'T MEAN TO start an insurrection. That's what the naggers do. We're not a bunch of wild, radical, rebellious, rebellious people. We want to defend our government, not destroy it. We want to preserve liberty, not destroy it. And the only way you can do it when somebody comes at you with a gun is to have your own squirrel rifle. >> THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IN RIGHT THERE. NOT a single word mitigated the inspiration felt toward Rockwell by William Luther Pierce. >> This is a world directory of the radical right published in [music] Great Britain. It has an entry in here on the National Alliance uh and uh on me and it says uh Pierce is one of the senior figures of the American ultraright and following not a single word mitigated or quelled or ceased or slowed the inevitable violence that would come from Pierce's words in turn. We met him at the maximum security US penitentiary in Terode, Indiana, where he now sits on death row awaiting a date for his execution. Because of his appeal, one of the conditions his lawyer laid down was that we not ask him directly, "Are you the Oklahoma City bomber?" >> Maybe one of the benefits of me talking to you today is that you'll see that maybe not everything is true that you've heard about me. for example, what's not true? >> Well, am I am I pure evil? Am I the face of terror sitting here in front of you? Or am I able to talk to you manto man? >> It was a bullet that shut up George Rockwell for good. And it's only a curiosity of history what might have been avoided if that bullet had found him or Pierce or any of their German predecessors sooner. In his video decrying the state of a country he neither lives in nor understands, Jordan Shanks attempts to empathize for a moment with the way Americans might feel regarding school shootings. >> Due to the inundation of American politics that the world consumes with relish, I think I have a taste for what the average American feels when there's yet another school shooting. You're not shocked that it happened. You're shocked that you're no longer shocked. >> My honest reply is I feel nothing. Not regret, not sadness, not anger, nothing. I can't permit myself to feel these things or I'll lose my mind. To be an American in 2025 is to be trapped between the common responsibilities of any man or woman on earth working, caring for your family, planning out the fleeting moments of your life and the existential disgust of sharing the beauty of this world with racist capital hoging parasites who laugh in the faces of dead children, who tell women they should carry the offspring of their rapists, who put on little uniform parades commemorating the murder and enslavement of blacks and Jews. I suppose in other quaint little backwater countries like the United Kingdom and Australia, you take some perverse pride in hearing the Nazis out. >> So please welcome me introducing Charlie Cuck. [applause] >> Sir, very easily. We stand first of all for the preservation of the white race because we believe everything else depends [music] on the white race since it's what created everything else that we hold dear. And secondly, we would want to preserve the western Christian civilization and the American constitutional republic [music] which it produced. >> That whether you realize it or not, whether you're secular, atheist, Buddhist, Hindu or Christian, if you live in the West, you are inheritor of a Christian tradition. The way we look at things, honor your neighbor, help the poor, charity, natural rights. These are somewhat weird ideas when you actually think about it. And instead of us trying to make a manufactured counterfeit new morality, we should go back to our Christian roots. What did you think of the speech? >> I thought it was very educational and very enlightening. >> In what respects? >> In what respects? Well, I've heard a little bit on television and read a little bit in the newspapers about what he's done and what he said. And I found that he's not a rabble rouser. Well, he doesn't have to be. And [music] if one looks for one can find many, many logical flaws in his statements. And he's quite a hypocrite when you come down to it. McVey may have even tried to talk with the author of the book. Have you ever talked to Timothy McVey by phone? >> Never. I've never spoken with Timothy McVey by telephone or in person or any other way. >> Although Pierce denies it, two separate law enforcement sources told CNN McVeyy's telephone records show he placed a call to Pierce's unlisted phone number in West Virginia in the weeks before the bombing. It was a lengthy call. The content is unknown. >> You let the boss impugn the worker. The Nazi impugn the Jew, the white impugn the black, the man impuged the woman. And you think a few poultry laws are enough to keep the worst of them in line. And maybe you're right. I don't know. And I don't care because you're not here. And I am. Give us the ballot >> and we will transform the salient misdeeds of bloodthirsty mobs >> into the calculated good deeds of orderly citizens.
