Charlie Kirk and Pastor John Amanchukwa Challenge Wokism, Abortion, and the Destruction of Black Families in America

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Charlie Kirk and Pastor John Amanchukwa Challenge Wokism, Abortion, and the Destruction of Black Families in America

Charlie Kirk welcomes Pastor John Amanchukwa to Freedom Night in America for an unflinching conversation about the state of the black community, the failures of wokism, and the attacks on biblical truth. Amanchukwu, a former football player with a master's degree from Liberty University and 15 years of pastoral experience, pulls no punches: he calls out how the Democratic Party has betrayed black Americans, how critical race theory is Jim Crow in reverse, and how the destruction of the two-parent family has devastated his community. From abortion statistics to the replacement of black fathers with government dependency, from LGBT indoctrination in schools to the cowardice of pastors who won't speak truth, this conversation exposes the lies that keep Americans divided and offers a path forward rooted in faith, family, and freedom.

Categories: Charlie's Faith
August 23, 2022

Introduction: Speaking Truth Without Fear

Charlie Kirk opened Freedom Night in America with Pastor John Amanchukwa, describing him as someone unafraid to get into trouble by telling the truth. Amanchukwu holds a master's degree in Christian ministry from Liberty University, played football, and has served as a pastor for 15 years. He arrived with his wife Crystal, celebrating 15 years of marriage and their three children aged 12, 11, and 5. Amanchukwu declared himself a country preacher from Raleigh, North Carolina who believes in God's truth and refuses to back down from speaking biblical authority. He defined himself as a pastor who is a watchman, not a wimp, willing to speak truth to power and push back against ideologies harming children and the black community.

The Democratic Party's Betrayal of Black America

Amanchukwu delivered a striking condemnation of how the Democratic Party treats the black community. He stated that blacks have become the chief prostitutes of the Democratic Party, explaining that they screw us and barely pay us, but we keep running back for more. He challenged the notion that black Americans need the government to think for them, pointing to President Joe Biden's comment that if you vote for Donald Trump, you're not black. Amanchukwu questioned why black men and women must have their color questioned when they support school choice over the public education system, celebrate biblical marriage instead of perversion, or support low taxes. He called out the current economic mess, noting that President Biden cut the Keystone Pipeline and created chaos. His central message was clear: America won't escape this mess until the nation turns its face back towards God and puts Him in His proper place, because this nation was founded upon Judeo-Christian principles, not Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, or Scientology.

Critical Race Theory: Jim Crow in Reverse

When discussing his book and the topic of wokism, Amanchukwu called it the loser theory. He rejected the fundamental premise of critical race theory that people are inherently racist because of their skin color, calling it asinine. He explained that racism is not a color but a sin, citing Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Since the Bible references sin in general, Amanchukwu argued that all people groups can be racist: black people, Hispanics, Pacific Islanders, Asians, and white people. He declared that critical race theory is the Jim Crow era in reverse, with blacks now doing to whites what was once done to them. He emphasized that it was wrong in the 1960s to disenfranchise minorities because of their skin color, and it's equally wrong today to say whites are inherently racist because of their skin color. His conclusion was direct: critical race theory equals racism, and the church needs to fight it.

Abortion: The Silent Genocide of Black America

Amanchukwu shared a powerful story from the summer of 2020 while ministering at one of the busiest abortion clinics in the Southeast. A black father approached him and told him he was fighting a white man's issue by trying to save babies. On that Saturday morning, 70 percent of the people outside trying to save babies were white, but nearly 80 to 85 percent of the people inside the building prepared to abort their babies were black. Yet this father claimed saving babies was a white man's issue. Amanchukwu called him a liar, explaining that abortion is not a white evangelical issue, and calling abortion murder is not a white evangelical issue. He argued that if the Ten Commandments were put back in schools, it would reduce school shootings because people would understand that God called killing innocent people murder. His book, Erased: Uncovering the Lies of Critical Race Theory and Abortion, provides a biblical approach to tackle the toughest issues of our day, including critical race theory, abortion, wokism, transgenderism, school choice, and LGBT issues.

Pride Month and the Courage Crisis Among Pastors

Addressing Pride Month, Amanchukwu stated that every pastor should speak up about it. He declared that any pastor worth his salt should say something about this month, adding that if your pastor has nothing to say about Pride Month, you need to check his posts, check his allies, and check his drawers because someone's wearing lace. He emphasized that the left is coming for our children, and over his dead body will he allow anybody to attack his family. Standing firm, he proclaimed that a man lives in his house and called for real men and mama bears to make some noise. He stated it's time to fight.

When asked what pastors should say, Amanchukwu pointed to the Bible. He criticized pastors who preach about their vacations, their pets, and quaint stories instead of preaching from Genesis to Revelation. He insisted the Bible is more current than tomorrow's newspaper and that if pastors want to know what's going to take place tomorrow, they should turn to the book. He said many preachers know what to say but hold the truth because they would rather hide it to keep rear ends in the pews. The Bible says if our gospel is hidden, it is hidden to those who are lost. Amanchukwu explained that many preachers are more concerned about resources than the Source. They're afraid to preach against LGBT issues because they might have a child or family member in that lifestyle, or there might be an influential board member with deep pockets. His message was clear: if you want to pull your money out of a local church because the pastor is preaching, goodbye, and let your money perish with you.

The Destruction of the Black Family

Charlie Kirk asked why the black community, which is more socially conservative than white liberals and less approving of transgender ideology according to polls, still tilts toward the political left in leadership. Amanchukwu cited examples like Reverend Jesse Jackson, who once coined the term black genocide and preached against abortion, but when he ran for office, he sold his community down the river and wouldn't touch the issue anymore. He mentioned Barack Obama, the first black president who had a chance to right some wrongs, but the majority of his support went toward Planned Parenthood and the LGBT community. Amanchukwu explained that many in his community are low information voters getting their information from the wrong people. They should expect to hear truth in church, but the pastors are woke and preaching woke sermons, creating a woke pew. Many blacks don't espouse these things but vote one way and pray another.

However, Amanchukwu offered hope, noting there is a remnant of blacks who believe in black excellence, the two-parent family home with both sexes, and who supported Donald Trump. He believes a remnant is coming, and the solution is to continue sounding the alarm, keep the message before the masses, create opportunities for black voices to speak nationally, and turn the nation in the right direction.

From the early 1900s until about 1968, which represents the death of Martin Luther King Jr., the black marriage rate rivaled that of whites. The black community did better under Jim Crow laws than they are doing in 2022. After the death of MLK, Lyndon B. Johnson came in with a New Deal, which Amanchukwu called a sour deal for black America. They replaced the black father with government cheese, providing a handout and a check. While some people need welfare support, welfare was never intended to be a hammock but a safety net. Many people have remained in the government's lazy boy hammock for too long, comfortable and unwilling to work. Generations of parents are not working and living off the government, which destroys the family. When you push dad out of the home, the patriarch is no longer there, and when you lose the patriarch, the family dies. Black men represent five percent of the overall population, and black women represent eight percent, meaning many women may not get married. While the NAACP pushes more abortion and more support toward the left, they are decimating the black community.

Articulate Excellence Is Not Whiteness

Kirk raised the issue of the Smithsonian African American History Museum's claim that a two-parent household, speaking properly, showing up on time, and doing mathematics and science are all whiteness. Amanchukwu called this a lie. It's not white to be articulate. It's not white to walk around with a belt on. He intentionally wore a suit because the media often portrays the black character as a buffoon, and every chance he gets to present black excellence and look properly adorned, he takes that opportunity to project the right message. He rejected the notion that excellence in dress or attitude for blacks is white, calling these lies. In schools, they are attempting to make victims out of black students, teaching them to hate their nation and country. Rap and hip-hop music further angers them and turns them against the white man. Amanchukwu countered that if Hispanics can come to this country speaking English as a second language and become successful, black people don't have an excuse. Asian Americans do well in this nation, and many have two-parent family homes because of the culture they push on their children. They preach education repeatedly, teaching their children to be CEOs, entrepreneurs, and to own businesses. When you do that, you strengthen the family. But when dad is out of his place, you can't put the blame on white people. Black fathers need to take responsibility for the children they have produced and stand in their rightful place.

Amanchukwu mentioned Kamala Harris's promise to astronomically reduce black poverty by providing a $400 check. He immediately responded that he's glad his wife and children don't need the government to give them $400 because his family has a father and a daddy. So many have made a god out of government, and that is the issue.

Police Brutality and the Real Issues

When asked if police brutality is a top 10 or top 20 issue facing the black community, Amanchukwu said he doesn't think it is. He believes there are good cops and bad cops. We should address the bad cops and get on with allowing cops of all races to defend our neighborhoods, protect us, and keep us away from criminals and thugs. He clarified that when a person says thug, people often think of someone who is black, but that's not true. There are thugs in all people groups. During the summer of 2020, we saw white thugs, Asian thugs, Pacific Islander thugs, Hispanic thugs, transgender thugs—all kinds of thugs looting, robbing stores, and burning down CVS pharmacy stores in their own communities while Democratic governors and mayors stood back and allowed anarchists to rule the night. That is a blot upon us that we will probably never get rid of. He stated that they would rather talk about an insurrection that took place for a few hours on January 6, which he called a setup, than talk about what truly happened in the summer of 2020 when they allowed BLM, George Soros people, and Antifa to rule neighborhoods and burn down businesses with the support of the government.

White Guilt and Black Pride

Kirk asked Amanchukwu about the over-racialization of American politics and whether white guilt is a real force in American political dynamics. Amanchukwu confirmed that white guilt exists, particularly among white liberals trying to overcompensate by positioning themselves as saviors of black people. He stated directly that he doesn't have any white friends who suffer from white guilt. If you suffer from white guilt, you can't be his friend. He'll delete your phone number because if you suffer from white guilt, then he must suffer from black shame. What God did when He made him a black man in the greatest country ever was amazing. He's black and he's proud. White people should be able to say they're white and proud without him getting angry or white supremacists having problems. He encouraged Kirk to say it, though Kirk humorously deflected. Amanchukwu emphasized he doesn't like the ideology of white guilt. He's not a beggar. He takes care of his family, works hard, and labors for the Amanchukwu family. His children know what it means to be an Amanchukwu. His father came to this country from Nigeria in the 1970s. His last name is Igbo and means I know God. Without God, he would be nothing. He's not trying to imitate anyone or be jealous or envious of anyone's lot in life. He's trying to build for the Amanchukwu family, support his family, and take care of his responsibilities because of the burden he has for his beautiful black wife and three beautiful chocolate-colored children. They have a tan they keep in the winter, and he is not ashamed of that at all.

The Crisis of Fatherlessness

In closing comments before audience questions, Kirk raised an issue that transcends race: society has become accepting of men impregnating women and abandoning them. He believes Christians and the church need to hold men to a higher standard and not allow them to flee women when they need nurturing and support the most. Amanchukwu responded that if the father remains in the life of the mother who's pregnant, nearly 85 percent of the time the mother will keep the baby. But when the father abandons that woman, she's left to choose whether to have the child or abort. Now more than ever, we should be compelling men to stand in their rightful place. He mentioned Matt Walsh's documentary What Is a Woman as one of the great films, then posed his own question: What is a man? Today there are blurred lines. There's this notion that just because a person has a large stomach and they're male, they could have a baby. We're confusing a beer gut with pregnancy. Men can't have babies. In order to have a child, you have to go to Genesis 5:2—God created them male and female. You could put 10,000 women in one room and you're not going to germinate or grow anything. You could put 10,000 men in one room and you're not going to produce a child. But when you do it God's way, it works. God's way is clean, God's way is safe, and God's way works every time.

Questions and Answers: Engaging the Audience

A young African American man about to graduate from college asked where he could plug himself in to have the most influence. Amanchukwu advised him that if he wants to change the tide in this country, he should get married, have children, and replenish his community to be the example pushing the right stuff. He should get involved with local abortion clinics, youth camps and activities, volunteer at the new school they're creating, and he'll see God cause him to flourish.

A young woman named Kayla from CCU asked about educational reform for parents who cannot afford Christian schools or don't have time or qualifications to homeschool. Kirk encouraged her to look at Dream City and check the table outside for potential scholarship opportunities. He acknowledged the difficulty but emphasized that at some point, parents will have to make serious sacrifices to ensure their kids aren't captured by government schools. He shared a moving story of a mom who told him they haven't taken a vacation in 10 years. They make $51,000 a year combined, she homeschools, her husband is a carpenter, but they made the decision not to send their kids to government schools. Her kids love the Lord, know history, are committed patriots, and are ready to start their own businesses. She said it was the greatest decision they ever made. Kirk was moved by this example of delayed gratification, a Christian biblical principle. She was willing to have a decade without vacations, never going out to movies, eating at a restaurant once a year, all so she could homeschool their kids. Her closing comment was that Kirk needs to challenge parents to live with less so their kids can live free.

A young man asked about gas prices, noting he knows someone who quit his job because he couldn't afford to drive to work. Kirk explained that he believes we're living through an intentional destruction of people's freedom and mobility to travel. He believes this is a state-sponsored obliteration of autonomy via fossil-fueled cars. When you have cars and cheap gas, you're freer. You're able to see more friends and go to church easier without thinking daily or hourly about how much it costs to fill up. He believes they're trying to push toward an almost mandated electrical vehicle situation, which opens the door for increased government tyranny. Who controls the charging stations? They could turn off the electrical grid. This would be much harder to do with gasoline and petroleum than with electrical vehicles. He expressed frustration that we are doing this to ourselves—it's not Putin's price hike. There is a deliberate agenda to make people poorer and make it harder and more expensive to drive, and that should make people mad.

Amanchukwu added that he doesn't think we have a gas price problem or an inflation problem. He thinks we have a sin problem. He referenced 2 Samuel 21, where a famine broke out in Israel because Saul killed the Gibeonites. God visited that sin during the reign of David, even though Saul had been dead for 30 years, and sent a famine for three years. By the third year, David went to Jerusalem, and God revealed the issue. America has been in a pandemic and famine for the past three years because of the shedding of innocent blood. This famine will not be removed from this land until we get rid of baby sacrifices. Righteousness exalts a nation. If you want to make a nation great again, get righteous. The greatest economic development plan for a nation is obedience to God. If you want to get the favor of a nation and bring the economy back to where it should be, put God in His rightful place.

Standing Against Woke Indoctrination

A mom named Heather from Peoria asked about getting organizations like Bloom 365 out of schools. This organization disguises itself while painting boys and men as all bad abusers and claims that if they're the provider of the home, that's a stereotype. Amanchukwu responded that when Madeleine Murray O'Hair fought to remove prayer from school, they had to replace prayer with something. They brought in metal detectors, cops, dogs, and all kinds of things. The reality is that when a place has told God He's not welcome, that place becomes cursed. It's kind of hard to expect children to receive our viewpoints and ideologies in a school system that's postmodern and pushes socialism and Marxist ideologies. The best thing to do is find Turning Point schools, Dream City schools, charter schools not pushing woke ideologies, or homeschool. You have to find alternative ways to teach and train children in our philosophies and ideologies. If you send your child to Rome, don't be surprised they come back as a Roman. Kirk added that she's fighting a righteous fight but needs to know going in that the odds of removing that stuff are low. However, don't be afraid to use their emotionally charged language against them—say your child is feeling unsafe or might be marginalized. We have to start using their tactics against them unapologetically. While it's easier said than done, we should not retreat from trying to care about our public schools. Those are fellow citizens and countrymen who need us. They're future voters and leaders, and we still need to influence them.

Dealing with the Racist Label

Two young women, Braylee and Danielle, president and vice president of the Turning Point USA chapter at Liberty High School in Peoria, explained they ran into issues last school year with people thinking their club was racist. They couldn't have meetings the whole year because their teacher representative was scared. They want to know how to avoid that next year. Amanchukwu told them he's never been called racist himself and doesn't tolerate racist talk around him. Racism by and large is something that is taught. If you live in a home where parents are pushing those ideologies, it will creep into the hearts and minds of children. But if they're out there trying to do noble work for a noble cause, let those labels roll off like water down a duck's back. Don't allow those things to paralyze or stop them from their work. The left and those who are woke are always going to label them, so they have to become accustomed to being labeled. Keep fighting, keep standing, know why you're doing what you're doing, and continue to love everyone.

Kirk added that life is a series of questions you ask yourself. You can ask why is this so hard, why me, or you can ask what is great about this problem, what am I going to learn from this, how am I going to enjoy the process, what am I willing to do. He suggested they need to be more creative and put teachers on defense. He told them that they're going to be tougher, stronger, and better leaders in life because they have to deal with the nonsense of being stereotyped and called names while all their peers get everything easy. They're being put in a situation that will make them tougher leaders for the rest of their lives. Parents in the local area raised their hands ready to help. They have the backing of the largest conservative organization in America, Turning Point USA, which won't let them lose. Kirk expressed love for their high school chapters.

Teaching Patience in a Technology-Driven World

A parent named Blake asked about teaching patience to youth given how technology operates on a now, now, now basis. Kirk drew a correlation between technology and patience, raising the question of at what age parents should open the world of the internet to children. He thinks many parents are damaging their children by giving an eight-year-old full access to the world with a full battery and the best WiFi to scroll, search, and get trapped in pornographic material, evil, secret chats, and other dangers. Kids might have two accounts—one with their name and another like hot girl 69. He thinks parents need to put some clamps on technology and Netflix, not giving free access to scroll and search for hours. Amanchukwu added that they need to put clamps on these things. As it relates to patience, they're going to learn it by living and existing. Put the right stuff in them, and reality will teach them patience. The Bible says to be anxious for nothing. Anxiety rules today because people want things now, typically because parents give children too much too soon. Sometimes you have to withhold things to train them, develop them, and build them up the right way.

Kirk added his unpopular opinion that kids shouldn't get smartphones until they're 18 years old. As a middle-ground solution, he promoted Canopy, a program he's partnered with on his podcast and radio show. Canopy is the best technology he's come across, similar to Covenant Eyes but better because it takes over the whole phone with secure encryption. If you have an 11, 12, or 13-year-old, studies show they will come across pornography accidentally or intentionally, both females and males, unless you have this application. He provided the website as canopy.us/protect with a promo code protect. It scans the whole device with 99.9 percent accuracy. He tried it himself and was blown away by how quickly it blurred out suggestive web ads on sites like Fox News. He's a big fan of this technology as a way to reinforce protection if parents feel their 12-year-old needs an iPhone. Kirk noted he didn't get his first smartphone until he was 20 years old. When he was 13, they used to go outside to play and be home by dark, and he misses that country. He knows that's unrealistic now, so there's a good technology middle ground.

Responding to Separation of Church and State

A 17-year-old named Serene apologized for already having a phone and Canopy, then asked how to respond when she posts on Instagram asking why we say to pray for our schools yet prayer isn't allowed inside schools. She received a response saying because of separation between church and state plus not everyone is a Christian. Kirk told her to respond by asking them to dig up the clause or amendment where separation of church and state is in the Constitution and send it back. It's nowhere. It's a phrase Thomas Jefferson used in a single letter to the Danbury Baptist Convention that is actually taken out of context. It was resurrected by the atheist secular movement in the 1960s and 70s by the Warren Court and Burger Court to remove prayer in schools. He told her to send them the prayer that used to be in school. It was not a Jewish or Christian prayer but a unitarian prayer—paraphrasing, it said I thank God that I am here today, I pray for my classmates and my country and for the well-being of others. It wasn't mandatory. It was trying to get students to take a pause and realize there's a vertical relationship to their existence.

Kirk suggested she ask if they should remove mentions of God in founding documents too, then point out the ordaining of the blessings of liberty—ordaining to whom, Zeus? He noted the four mentions of God in the Declaration of Independence: laws of nature and nature's God, Creator, and others. We've been hypnotized to believe this lie of separation of church and state. What the First Amendment actually says is that Congress shall make no law establishing an official state religion and also make no law abolishing religion or the church. It's inverted to the exact opposite. He suggested she finally ask where they were trying to make sure the state wasn't getting in the church during COVID, where they were trying to say the state couldn't shut down churches with vaccine mandates, mask mandates, or lockdowns. All of a sudden, people are super worried about separation of church and state when it's about God being mentioned in a state-run school. Maybe they're running a state-run religion and worried that people might actually have some sort of prayer in schools.

The Housing Crisis and Foreign Investment

The final question came from someone who has been doing forums with people running for state legislature and other positions. He asked about a statistic that before COVID, eight percent of foreign investors owned land in Arizona, now up to almost 30 percent. With BlackRock buying up tons of Arizona land and prices skyrocketing, creating a housing crisis all over the country, he asked what can be done to combat this to allow Arizonans to afford land. Kirk answered directly, noting he's not a politician. He doesn't want to live in a generation or country where more people in his generation are renting than owning. Renting creates citizens who don't have equity in the system around them. When young people rent, they're less likely to feel invested in their nation or care about property values, property taxes, or where property tax goes. It's the tragedy of the commons. He thinks homeownership is a moral good that we should try to develop and increase. We're seeing homeownership go down.

Kirk explained that property values are skyrocketing because people are getting unsolicited offers on their houses through text messages and phone calls. Major funds, both internationally and in New York, don't know where to put their money, so they're coming and buying homes and renting them back to our children. That's wrong. People say that's not very free market, but Kirk loves markets because they serve people. When markets stop serving people, we need to say that's not a good or an outcome we're willing to tolerate. If ASU or University of Arizona grads can't conceivably afford a down payment on a home in Paradise Valley, Scottsdale, Mesa, Chandler, or Gilbert in the next 10 years, that's going to create cynical renters more likely to say the system is rigged against them.

His solution: the Arizona legislature should be very clear that if you are a multinational firm or company buying for the intent to rent, you are not allowed to do it. Young people and residents of Arizona should get priority over multinational firms coming in to buy up property to rent it back to us. That is actually the market thing to do and the capitalist thing to do because it will create better principles, behaviors, and citizens. If you want to create conservatives, have a young person own property, get married, and have children. If you want to create liberals, keep them unmarried, without kids, and renting for the rest of their life. We need bold decisive action to say New York woke firms sitting on $10 trillion have no business swooping into Scottsdale, buying up property, and making it so 28, 29, and 30-year-olds can never get a chance at the American dream so many of us did. That's the conservative capitalist approach in his opinion.

Closing Thoughts: A Call to Action

Pastor John Amanchukwa closed by saying his name is John Amanchukwa and he approves this message. Kirk thanked everyone for attending, promoted checking out the table for Dream City Schools at dreamcityschools.org, and reminded everyone that ballots come out July 3rd. He said they're never going to tell people who to vote for, but they are going to tell people to vote, pray about it, and fast on it. They'll be talking about the importance of voting in the next Freedom Night in America. He thanked Dream City Christian for the amazing collaboration and told everyone God bless, see you next month.

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