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I personally believe I can understand a
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a pro-life argument for personal or
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religious views except on a legislative
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level. I cannot I cannot fathom a a a
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good argument as to why there should be
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restrictive legislation over abortion.
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Cool. So, let's just I'm curious. Do you
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think there should be legislative
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restrictions on someone murdering their
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2-year-old?
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I do believe that. Yes. Except I don't I
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don't I don't believe that life starts
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at conception.
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Okay, got it. So that that's an that's
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where I was going to go. What is the
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moral difference between a 2-year-old
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and a 20we baby?
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A 20we baby or a 20?
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A 20we baby in the womb.
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I believe that.
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And just so we're clear, uh fetus means
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offspring or little one and only refers
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to human beings.
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I believe that it's not an independent
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life. I believe that at a certain point
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in the womb there become there's a point
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where the baby can survive without
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feeding off of the mother.
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Got it. So I have a five-month-old baby
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at home. My fivemon cannot feed itself.
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My five I'm sorry
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somebody else could. When it's in the
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womb, nobody else can take care of that
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baby except for its biological mother.
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And and why why is that an issue?
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It's not it's not an independent life.
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But it is independent because it's own
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DNA, right? That's true except it cannot
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survive on its own. It cannot survive in
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any way on its own.
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Well, at 21 weeks it can survive
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actually on its own and it has an
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increased
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20,
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right? So 20 or 21 weeks are technology
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allowing to happen. But why is viability
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worth? For example, if someone gets in a
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car accident and cannot survive without
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a ventilator, should they be able to
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just pull the plug? They can't survive
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on their own.
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Do they have any ability to choose for
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themselves?
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No. They're they're they're quote
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unquote brain dead.
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I mean, well, we have do not
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resuscitates for that.
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What if you don't have a DNR on your uh
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driver's license?
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You would have to live. I guess you
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would be forced into that. Except I I
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don't I don't necessarily disagree.
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Wait, hold on. So, our laws are default
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to force live. So, then why would our
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laws not be default to force live for a
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10- week baby or a 15week baby?
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I don't think I don't think there's any
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independence. There is no freedom of a
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fetus or or a baby.
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What do you mean by freedom? It cannot
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survive on its own,
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right? But again, my five-month-old
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cannot survive on its own. I keep on
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going back to that. Surviving on its own
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is a non-medical technical term. And so,
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let's go back to an 8 week. At 8 weeks
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old, you have brain waves. At six week,
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you have heartbeat. At 10 weeks, they
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can feel pain. At what point is that not
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a human being?
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At what point is it a human being?
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You tell me.
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I don't I don't think anybody knows.
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That's why I don't think
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so. Our position is that it's a human
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being at the earliest possible point of
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development when your DNA is formed. So
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you as you are right now are still
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developing. How old are you?
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I'm 17.
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So you're 17. Your brain will not stop
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forming till it's you're 25 years old.
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And so when you were conceived at
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conception that begun the process of
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development and as long as that process
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largely goes uninterrupted you become a
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full adult.
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I am not biologically dependent on
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anybody for survival. I could I need
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people to survive.
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But you were at six months old.
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No, a b a fetus.
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But okay, a six week fetus if they
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removed from the womb, they will die no
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matter what. There is nothing that can
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be done about that.
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Yes, but that does not diminish their
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moral worth. Under no other standard do
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we have do we say just because you can't
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survive on your own, you are okay to
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terminate. That rule does not exist. So
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they'll say brain death. That's
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interesting. So brain death. Do you know
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that people that are quote unquote brain
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dead, women still have their periods?
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Are they really brain dead? Do you know
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that someone who's brain dead, if you
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cut into their arm, their adrenaline
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spikes? Do you know someone that's quote
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unquote brain dead will respond
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differently on brain wave type stuff,
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even though there's only slight no brain
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wave, the heart rate will increase if a
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loved one comes near and start talking
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to them? In fact, maybe there's more to
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life than just brain waves. Maybe we're
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a soul and a spirit. That's a lot deeper
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than just what you can detect on some
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sort of spec scan.
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I can
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to say that though is religious. That is
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a spiritualistic idea.
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Well, hold on. First of all,
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I believe that to be unconstitutional if
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legislated.
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Hold on. There's there's a lot there.
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But first of all, God is in our founding
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documents. Yes.
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God is mentioned four times in the
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Declaration of Independence, right?
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And to say that something is not
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religious is also a religious statement.
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So, somebody has to win here. But I'm
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not even going to get into that. I want
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to ask two just morally defining
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questions.
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Should it be illegal if a woman finds
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out her baby has Down syndrome? Should
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be should she be able to abort her baby
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based on that information?
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How far along is it?
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25 weeks.
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I'm not sure.
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How about this? If a if a couple finds
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out that they're having a girl and they
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want a boy, should they be able to
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terminate that that fetus?
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I think legally, I don't think morally
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they should. Except I don't think that's
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the government's decision.
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Hold on. All laws are a reflection of
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our morality. Why should abortion laws
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be any different?
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They should be a reflection of our
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morality.
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What What morality is that?
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What do you mean?
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What is the moral standard that abortion
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laws should reflect?
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Freedom.
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Freedom. Okay. So, do you have a freedom
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to kill someone smaller than you?
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No. But if they're dependent on you for
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life, if they cannot be outside of your
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body without surviving,
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I like to collect.
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But I again, I'll just I'll ask one
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final question here. What species in the
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animal kingdom is the fetus?
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A human.
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So, if it's a human, shouldn't that
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human get human rights?
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I don't know. I don't I don't I don't I
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don't believe there is any.
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But shouldn't you get human rights even
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if you can't survive without another?
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Shouldn't you get human rights even if
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you're small and that you're happen to
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be in utero at that moment?
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I don't know that it
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can't come up with a response to that.
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Well, hold on. It's fine. I want I want
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you to I want you to think about that
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and I want you
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can ask it one more time.
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No. Yeah. I'm not trying to It's not a
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gotcha here. I'm just I'm literally
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because it's I said since it's a human
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being in utero, shouldn't that human get
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human rights even though it's dependent
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on another?
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I don't I cuz I feel children don't have
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the full human rights as an adult.
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Well, hold on. They do have life with
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the protection of life,
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but they don't have the same human
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rights as an adult.
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Of course not. But they but
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parents make decisions for them.
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Yes. But h it never is it morally
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permissible to be able to terminate a
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child or a child or steal something from
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a child. So the moral standard does not
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go away. What you're getting at is they
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don't have the privileges of adults but
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they have the same rights as adults.
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Abortion we have carved out in the
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western moral standard where none of our
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other morals apply. We believe all these
7:02
things are wrong for grown adult humans
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but not for small humans. We think that
7:06
small humans that happen to be
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temporarily located in utero don't get
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that. For example, size should never
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determine your moral worth. Location
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does not determine your moral worth.
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People in Flagstaff don't have more
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human rights than people in Cincinnati.
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Your environment does not inter
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determine your moral worth, nor your
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degree of dependency. If degree of
7:24
dependency determines your moral worth,
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all of you guys that are asking your mom
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to sell you more money or asking your
7:29
mom to send you more cash to pay your
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cell phone bill, you're all dependent on
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your parents. The point is this. We do
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not judge whether or not you can live or
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die based on your degree of dependency,
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your size, your location, or your
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environment that you're in. Human rights
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are equally applied to all human beings
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despite those factors.
