Charlie Kirk Exposes Three Types of Churches in America and Why Courage Matters Now More Than Ever

[Music] thank you for coming to indiana thank you for loving our nation the way that you do i just want to give you a chance to share your heart what makes you tick what do you think our greatest battle is right now and what do we here in indiana grassroots community what do we do to to turn back the tide of this radical left well first i just love indiana what a great place i i grew up in illinois and coming to indiana it reminds me what illinois used to be in some ways um because there's so many people from illinois that moved here that were great patriots now many of you know this being from illinois we have term limits in illinois it's different than most states it's one term in office one term in jail so when we asked for our governor's cell number i actually mean his cell number i got one more my grandmother was a lifelong republican passed away in the mid-1990s from chicago she's been voting democrat ever since [Laughter] indiana was always the state that i envied the most um can you tell the story real quick i didn't know this until you were speaking uh tonight over at the church at the meet and greet and and you said something that blew my mind uh you liked indiana so much that what did you do yes so it's interesting on a technical basis this is true if you just look at any of our turning point usa 990 forms so illinois was becoming increasingly oppressive and authoritarian and i wasn't really trusting who was running the illinois government for good reason i think you would all agree and so i started to see some behavior from people across the country targeting groups like project veritas or pro targeting the pro-life groups in california from state-based attorney generals and i was like i don't want this to happen in illinois so i called one of my board members i said we need to go and change our headquarters to a friendly state and he's like all right where i said well indiana obviously right so if you look at our turning point usa 990 forms we're headquartered in crown point indiana if anyone's asking actually so amazing and and it was because of attorney general because it was a sane constitutional you know defender that actually believed in the rule of law and so it's great to be home i guess so how cool is that and our offices are in phoenix arizona but like many people i was like i don't feel comfortable in illinois so we got out pretty quickly but indiana's always had the hardest working people midwestern work ethic amazing values very very well-run state and i think that you know indiana needs to continue to push back against washington d.c this woke nonsense that's happening in our country we'll talk about that you asked about kind of why i do what i do i gave my life to the lord in fifth grade and it was the most important decision i made in my life i have always had a heart for liberty and i've never liked bullies and especially i don't like tyrants that have a lot of power that people then give them and so i've always kind of been trying to push back against that my entire life when i grew up i was told in the church that politics and religion must be separate i'm sure a lot of you have heard this or go to churches where this is kind of taught that's okay because i believe that for a long time i always had my political views when i started turning point usa in june of 2012. i was a christian but i always made sure to make it separate like i would never blur the two things together i would never mention them and i really kind of had all of that challenge when i met my now pastor rob mccoy that you mentioned where i realized that if we're talking about what is right and wrong we're talking about morals we're talking about values we're talking about truth how is that separate than our faith in fact it's in harmony with our faith because our faith instructs what is good what is moral and what is true and so then i was told by many pastors before you know nowhere in the bible does it say you should get involved in politics nowhere in the bible you should do this and that's just not true in jeremiah 29 7 it says you must demand the welfare of the nation or the city that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare that's the lord speaking to the people of israel and some pastors will say oh nowhere in the bible are there people that got involved in politics well and what do you do with esther mordecai nehemiah jeremiah daniel justin or joseph just to name a few all throughout the scriptures there are people that are god's chosen people trying to influence secular government for his purpose and in fact we as christians are called to be salt light in every arena and that includes whether or not we're going to talk about government and so i'm very clear about what matters most right we must always we must always prioritize our time our treasure our resources in a series of hierarchies right we as christians believe in that the ultimate most important thing the most important thing we can do in our life is accept jesus christ as our lord and savior and get other people to do that as well that's the most important thing we could do and so but my day job is the second most important thing what i what i do my three podcasts a day on when i do my radio show when i visit college campuses so you don't have to it's about the second most important thing which is to make sure you can do the first thing that if we act as if politics mean nothing we act as if government means nothing then we're all going to be sharing our theological opinions from prison and that's not an over-exaggeration and all throughout the scriptures there is a theme where god's heart for his people is to set us free liberty is not man's idea it's god's idea he does not want you to be a slave to addiction he does not need to be controlled by a tyrant jesus came here to set us free and god's heart for for us here on earth is not to live under despotic tyrants or authoritarians that are telling us how to live our life how to worship how to make choices or decisions liberty is the pursuit of virtue and so i believe at this time because all times are different this particular time we as christians have a moral obligation to fight for liberty against tyranny and rise up and it must start in the church amen hey uh do you do you want to come to our church on sunday and just preach for me because i feel like you do an amazing job like yes yes this is amazing okay i i love i l i love your um uh understanding of the american church because you've you've really traveled this nation i mean every corner of this nation you go i mean 330 days a year you are on the road going to places in america you said something um in one of your podcasts podcast not too long ago about three types of churches yes and i want you to hit on that because you're seeing this i think i felt this as a pastor for many years i'm like oh my goodness i when you when you laid it out the way you did i said yes that's exactly what i noticed 10 years ago was happening and for you to kind of put words to it it like made my heart like leap out of my chest could you explain to us about the three churches that you're seeing yeah so there's three types of churches it's the three c's and we'll go through it and i'm gonna say this rather bluntly and plainly you know my heart if i offend you sorry i guess um we're just gonna we're just gonna be honest we're running out of time right this political correct stuff's a bunch of garbage okay so look number one let's start with the good the courageous church good pastors like micah he's doing an amazing job pastors that are standing up for truth now the courageous church is willing to stand up against government lockdowns in tyranny the courageous church is willing to instruct their congregation about all the decisions they have to make how do i marry who do i mayor mary how do i organize my finances who do i vote for right is it a good or bad thing that i'm gambling the church must to equip the congregation the flock with answers about all of these otherwise confusing issues the courageous church does not care what the new york times says the courageous church does not care about what the activists say the courageous church doesn't care if people walk out of sermons because you might have said something they don't like a courageous church does not look at success through budgets and buildings which the most of the american church does by the way instead they say how many souls are we winning are we proclaiming truth the courageous church is the vast minority of churches in america and just like courage in general is very hard to find the courageous church is a growing but small community and we're trying to help grow that at the usa faith the second type of church is the cowardly church they're the church that knows what they should do but they don't do it and they'll say the following couple of excuses we only do the gospel around here so do i and i believe the gospel is about creating disciples not converts of all nations yes and discipleship goes deep discipleship means you're going to equip people to make good decisions in every arena of life including what kind of government you're going to have don't tell me it's unimportant don't tell me it doesn't matter more people have died from bad government last hundred years than anything else so if you don't care about government a lot of suffering can happen as we as christians try to limit suffering we should care for the least amongst us if you have bad government oppressive government tyrannical government well look what happened the last couple years how the lockdowns the suicides the mental health issues that are all byproducts of bad government policy and the type of system that we had the cowardly church and here's my call for a lot of you if you have a pastor if you are a pastor here in this audience that refuses to speak out at all about these issues i want to challenge you because you can make a decision immediately to go from the cowardly to the courageous and for those of you that might be on an elderboard you might be tithing to a church and you're like man i'm not getting it out of my pastor they're quiet on this they say the bible doesn't say anything about abortion they haven't mentioned roe v wade they don't communicate about this stuff they won't do a july 4th service about the brilliance and the magic and the exceptional nature of how god gave us the gift of america they won't even dare do anything to honor our veterans then you've got to go challenge that cowardly pastor do it lovingly and directly and compassionately but ask for a coffee ask for a meeting and look that pastor in the eyes and you can listen to our library of podcasts and videos to give you the information necessary but have the conviction to do and be like hey why don't you do a july 4th service just to say thank you lord we live in the freeze greatest country ever why don't you do that and don't don't give me this whole thing about well you know we only do the gospel it says in philippians 4 8 whatever is good whatever is true whatever is beautiful think on these things america is good and it's worthy of appreciation and praise and thanks to the lord because we're stewards of this nation the cowardly pastor cares more about the budgets and whether or not he offends a vast minority of people rather than proclaiming truth to the body that so sorely needs it right now and i just want to just kind of challenge that cowardly pastor and say where is your line because there are 14 15 year olds right now in high schools that are being taught there's no difference than a man and a woman there's 11 year olds that are being prescribed puberty blockers that will do irreversible damage because of these la the lies that are being pushed forward if the church won't say clearly what a man and what a woman is why do we expect secular society to do that the church must lead on these issues not to mention as we are now knocking on the doorsteps of a goal that would have otherwise seemed unreachable which is the reversal of roe vs wade after the slaughter of innocent life over the last 40 or 50 years pastors need to be leaning in to this issue and educating on it properly so that's the cowardly now believe it or not there's an even worst category which is i yearn for the cowardly over this which is the complicit the complicit church is the one that has the lgbt flag outside of their church you all know what i'm talking about it's the church that has the blm flag they were quick to go mobilize their congregation to fight systemic racism whatever that is but they remain quiet when it comes to the issues of the transgender or the unborn or they won't take controversial stance unless it's been approved by all the right media members they're the ones that say that jesus would want you to take the vaccine you've all heard these sermons they're complicit with the narrative and the agenda now these pastors i'll be very honest i'm working on this i'm very honest about my shortcomings okay no i'm true we all deserve forgiveness i have very little patience for these people okay um and patience is not one of your spiritual gifts no it's not okay so running out of time gotta do stuff okay we gotta be honest right um which is like the gloves kind of come off like if you're in the ministry like just outwardly spreading lies for instagram likes because you're some kind of weird like skinny jean wearing like ted talk pastor no okay okay all right you're fine hey i have some skinny they always give me a hard time on sunday skinny legs not skinny jeans okay i'm sorry he he passes the test tonight it was right on the line and the no sock thing is very questionable but that's okay so hey i i'm this is summer for us here man okay like this is awesome weather outside i'm being completely stereotypical and accurate by the way so so but if that's more important to you oh yes go on go on micah aside and those people should leave the ministry and i mean that which is that you are not in a ministry to get instagram likes or social media followers or to go sell books you're there to proclaim truth you're going to bring people closer to ultimate meaning and i'm afraid that the church far too often has become this kind of celebrity contest of people that are always trying to joust for what the world thinks and not what the word says so the complicit church requires in my personal opinion direct challenging from the body of christ and asking these pastors whoa it'd be better if you said nothing then you said all this nonsense and i could go through the names of these pastors and there are these national pastors that do this and it's so disappointing and unfortunate so the most amount of churches are cowardly then complicit and then courageous and so my heart at tp usa faith is to try to make the courageous you know more empowered and to grow more courageous pastors and more courageous churches in any way we possibly can try to shrink the complicit and try to shrink the cowardly because courage begets courage right but here's the thing here's how i know that we're trending the right way the last two years lockdowns you know all these different things the churches that have taken stances on these issues the ones that have decided to proclaim the truth and not care about the cost in an ironic paradoxical way their ties have gone up and their membership have gone up and i could tell you it is the rule in every corner of the country we've from we've seen that at life church it's been amazing i know pastor rob mccoy has seen that i mean god has blessed our church in amazing ways tithes gone up the membership has gone up we have seen people like churches are closing their doors right now in our community and we're looking around and be like this has been an amazing season of growth for us and i think it's because pastor nathan just said i'm not going to sit idly by and stay quiet because the world's telling me to be quiet and that's what's driving god's spirit is being poured out on those on those types of churches amen and the church has to be the place where the body goes for answers so when the church is cowardly or quiet or silent then the mom that is right here in this audience right now that gets the question from your 15 year old that just saw a tik-tok video saying hey why is it wrong that you can choose your gender again and you go to your pastor and the pastor says sorry we don't do that around here that is a failure to your congregation the church needs to have the boldness and the ability and the knowledge to go to that that mom and say hey let me tell you what let me tell you what the scriptures say about gender let me through the scientific data shows about gender dysphoria let me tell you about how just because you feel something it doesn't mean you are something about how it says in the scriptures your heart will actually lead you astray and so this is the way that i think the church has an opportunity and if the mom who goes to the pastor doesn't get it from the pastor she'll go somewhere else she'll go to some weird like oprah winfrey self-help book or something seriously or some sort of like eastern buddhist meditative podcast or something no seriously or she'll go to the view yeah exactly and which which is a very real thing which is they're going to seek counsel somewhere and so look there's there's there's an intentional spirit of confusion that is trying to come across our land right now and i think pastors and churches are seeing one of the great opportunities to lead the lost and lead the confused towards truth and towards the natural law and anchor them to reality and certainty amen i love it so you're you're in academia a lot i mean that's kind of your wheelhouse you've seen colleges really push this left-leaning agenda you've seen it now trickle down into high schools and even middle schools in elementary schools what is going on we've got a lot of young people in the in the audience right now or watching over at uh this is being streamed over at our life church noblesville campus as well and we know that there's a there's a group of students over there watching they're getting ready to step out into this what would you tell them saying okay this is what you're gonna hit when you go to college or maybe you're in a high school right now even in hamilton county in the central indiana we are seeing radical nonsensical ideology being pushed down the throats of our children totally void of their parents okay and and students or parents are being told to get out of the school board rooms don't tell us what you think mom and dad this is not your job to teach the kids let us do whatever we do with your kid for eight hours a day and you don't get a right to say what what and what you want us to do and what would you say to the students that are getting ready to step out and to the parents that are in that situation right now how do we combat this charlie yeah so let me just first make some positive and then i'm going to indict college because that's kind of what i do so um so just be a lifelong learner okay you don't need to go to college to learn uh the amazing part of our where we are in the world is you can listen to podcasts take online courses from hillsdale college read books do be a lifelong learner um the more the old quote which many of you know the more i know the more i really realize how little i know when i thought i knew it all and that's something that we should all embrace which is my favorite part of my day is when i turn my phone on airplane mode and i do my two hours of learning hillsdale courses victor davis hanson articles whatever it is i love diving into there's two types of knowledge right there's practical knowledge and then there's eternal knowledge practical knowledge is who's the governor of michigan who's the governor of indiana these are things that can change eternal knowledge is knowledge of things that never change they'll be true today they'll be true 200 years from now and they are two two hundred years prior eternal knowledge is rooted in the bible which of course we call wisdom eternal knowledge is wisdom um our schools almost never touch on eternal knowledge and they're hyper focused on practical knowledge okay so i just want to just first say please for the students out there the parents out there be lifelong learners if you want to fight for liberty and i see the great moms for liberty shirt up front they do a wonderful job such a good job by the way they're targeted by the fbi that's how good of a job no and i'll get to that in a second it's unbelievable what's happened is that if you want to protect liberty you must make learning one of your top priorities and this kind of surprises people because like oh charlie got it all figured out it's like do you know everything about the world health assembly and the world economic forum do you know everything that they're doing uh the world economic forum our governor just went there two days ago and just so you know yeah there were a lot of people like what the heck is indiana's governor doing in switzerland right now i didn't know that but i didn't know i did know that he vetoed the transgender bill oh my goodness which by the way they overturned his veto i believe which is awesome and he's a he's a republican i i have gone after your governor totally he's a waste of time and so now you go to the world economic forum you're whining and dining amongst some of the most evil and terrible people the planet has to offer if you and it's just unbelievable davos switzerland these you go read the great reset so your governor i don't even know that it's amazing is rubbing elbows amongst people where their stated goals are saying you'll own nothing and you'll be happy america will no longer be the world superpower and western values will be to a breaking point those are the goals of the world economic forum and so can't quite imagine what that would be all about but to the point is that i want to kind of go a level deeper which is you want to protect liberty you have to learn okay so about education right so let's start with college college can be a great thing for some young people it could be a terrible thing for some young people this is the third rail of american life that everyone kind of gets really nervous about that no one's saying what no one wants to say out loud and but it just needs to be repeated college is a scam for most young people it is a scam and let me be very clear i prefaced at saying i love learning [Laughter] that's one of the reasons why we need to be honest about college let's start with one the national graduation rate is 59 41 of people that go to college do not graduate all of you know at least a couple people that went to college and dropped out they never should have gone to college in the first place meanwhile we have a record deficit of carpenters electricians plumbers welders entrepreneurs police officers firefighters why answer it's because most suburban moms don't want their kids to work with their hands it's true it's considered you failed as a parent upper middle class society if your kid ends up working construction it's a stigma and you know it's true we ask our high school seniors hey where are you going to college not why are you going to college if most parents even understood an iota a fraction of the kind of russian roulette with the values that will happen when you send your kid to college they would be flabbergasted the number one piece of reaction i travel as you mentioned 330 days a year i meet a lot of people they say charlie i have four kids half of them share my values i said where did they go to college and they said oh i thought that purdue is this great school i thought iu is just another thing against them you know as an institution but they're indoctrination factories they are and you will play russian roulette with these kids your these these values notre dame and as well michigan u of i the university of illinois and so the question is what is the redeemable value of these colleges it's increasingly less people say well you need the piece of paper because it's oh so it's a credentialing exercise which it is i mean you want to know why colleges are so devoid of wisdom well because there's no god but god there is no wisdom the beginning of wisdom begins with the fear of the lord and so let's just and by the way this is the title of my upcoming book which is very in a very vanilla title called the college scam um if i was a college professor i would actually use that book in my class yeah that would be awesome which they're happy to buy a bunch so all proceeds by the way the book go to tourney point usa which is which is great that will really bother him so um the it's a 10 it's a 10 count indictment but let's just start with one that's every bad idea that you find to be reprehensible started at a college campus men can become pregnant college campus no different than men and women college campus steve on the police college campus critical theory of race theory critical theory college campus these are the incubators and the validators of every single bad idea in society why is this the least church generation in the in the history of america because in college campuses with evangelistic zeal they tell your children and grandchildren not to believe in god and pleasure is the ultimate pursuit now i didn't go to college so people say how dare you talk about all this well look i'm the best and worst person to be able to talk about college because i could talk about how you could actually do something in your life without having to go to college but also i'm a little bit of a subject matter expert because i've spoken over 150 college in the last decade we have an organization on over 750 college campuses and i've spoke from berkeley to boulder to stanford to ucla to to brown to marquette and live to tell about it all across the country and so but let me tell you this college can be the right solution for some young people if you know why you're going for an affordable way and you really know what you believe and you're not going to be susceptible to all their indoctrination but let me tell you bad reasons to go to college my parents are making that's an awful reason like oh i'm going to figure out along the way why what are you going to figure out exactly if you go to college try to find what you're going to study you're going to lose something along the way you're going to lose those kind of values you're raised with and so people say well charlie what would you do to replace it well i took a gap year it's been a gap decade now and start an organization god blessed it along the way it's been amazing but for parents out there i just want to try to challenge you um to try to not make your child going to college about you if you're afraid to turn to your neighbor and say that hey johnny's not going to college if you're afraid to say that because of the social stigma or the looks or the people like huh then it's more about you than it is about the child and i can tell you this out of all of our we have over a hundred thousand donors at turning point usa most of which are over the age of 50. and the letters i get daily from parents saying i wish i would have never sent my kid to college they won't talk to me they don't share my values they don't believe in god they're unhappy it's happening every day everybody so just be very careful and i'm afraid people aren't talking about this enough it's like this automatic almost we must send them no matter what and then so we need more trades we need all these sorts of different things but there's also um there's also just kind of this idea i mean there's like two good schools left in the country hillsdale is one of them um that's one that's good um i grew up in hillsdale by the way did you do really yeah yeah the great hillsdale college they did an amazing job they did um even though schools that used to be good like grove city is no good anymore they've gone totally woke what was the second what was the second college it depends liberty's pretty good university is pretty good we got yeah we've got i'm sure i'm forgetting one someone's upset but i mean there's a couple ones peppered across region oh they're pretty good you're right your region's good that's right michelle bachmann's there now she does a good job um and so besides that though it's a vast minority of schools let me just kind of close with this which is you must know why you're sending your kid to college how you're educating them but understand it starts even younger the indoctrination starts in high school it starts in middle school it starts in the fundamental value shaping of social media and all that and so look my my first immediate goal if we had 20 to 30 percent less kids going to college america would be a much freer and better place to live and so the the goal that i would have is having a lot of people not go to college and to learn to actually do something useful because we have a whole generation of young people that borrowed money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist and they say hey charlie you know i got this degree in lesbian archery and i don't know [Laughter] i don't know why i can't find a job okay okay hold on a second i i have to ask is that the does that come on is that really a thing come on is that like underwater that you can't immediately dismiss it ah this is why china's winning so uh yeah okay well okay what we're gonna do now though uh on that note uh that is amazing i love that i'm gonna i'm gonna use that one uh okay we are going to uh we're going to open it up for some questions for charlie cause charlie i mean one of the best on his feet kind of thinkers and speakers in this nation so we want to kind of just give you a chance to uh come down and share or ask a question let charlie share his heart on that issue so um not all at once but if you would like to do that we got connor down here we've got jared right there and they're just just at some point just come on down and we'll get to questions here so you can start doing that now while they're doing that hit on hit on this point real quick for me we hear all the time in the media charlie that america is a fundamentally racist nation can i love how you defend america and her history and and you you make a great argument for what has happened to to racism since america was founded yeah i mean what thank you uh for saying that i spend a lot of time reading history of our founding fathers and i get really defensive of them actually they're unbelievable people uh we're the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world that's right we have a supply and demand problem with racism in america we have an incredible demand to try to find the race hope the race crimes hoaxes which they are hoses um but we yet there's such an unbelievable low supply that there's kind of a cottage industry of creating your own race race hate crimes and try to make them popular in what world do you have a problem with racism where someone like jesse smilet tries to come up with their own race crime do you think they were doing that with the kkk and the antebellum south where they were coming no like there was plenty of actual legitimate racism at the time so let's kind of go through all of their kind of accusations first of all let's realize and recognize what we have the fact that we're a multi-racial multi-ethnic ethnic multicultural society and we get along as well as we do it in our country is unbelievable the fact that we've been able to bring people from every corner of the world and we get along really really well it does despite what you kind of see on cnn and on television is a remarkable accomplishment and so let's go kind of back to the founding fathers common kind of incantation that they'll say is that the founding fathers were super racist they owned slaves therefore they're not worthy of study or appreciation well something we all have in common as human beings is you're all born into a world you did not create and every single one of the founding fathers was born into a world where slavery was everywhere and then they had a couple choices to make and they started to think very deeply about this and thanks to the writings of the declaration of independence the movement of the abolitionist slavery began vermont abolished slavery in 1777 the first state to do so in 1775 it was the first anti-slavery convention ever held in the history of the world chaired by benjamin franklin by the time the constitution was ratified in 1787 nine out of 13 of the original states or colonies had already independently abolished slavery we right here believe it or not where we're sitting is in the northwest territories well you speak all the northwest territories what i mean by that is there was a past there was an act of congress in 1787 called the northwest ordinance it had several articles now article six of the northwest ordinance said the following that every single square mile or acre of the northwest ordinance would be free of slavery and it was passed by every single state 13 to nothing unanimously when they were thinking about expansion of new lands they knew new lands must be free and not slave now think about this if you're expanding new lands isn't that a projection of your values a projections of what you believe yet 13 colonies agreed that the northwest territories of nowhere indiana illinois michigan wisconsin iowa and minnesota would be slave free not to mention thomas jefferson signed a moratorium of importation of new slaves in march of 1807. the the practice of slavery was starting to be decoupled to such a great extent thanks to the abolition movements of william wilberforce in britain that the british empire actually used their own troops to enforce the abolition of the slave trade by going and arresting slave traders all throughout the 18 teens and 1820s john quincy adams america's sixth president only served one term he was such a focused abolitionist that after he lost the presidential election andrew jackson that he went to go run for congress so they had to come up with a new rule in congress that you could not introduce the same bill every single day which was a bill to abolish slavery he was so focused on it now of course we had a civil war we fought a war to end slavery hundreds of thousands six hundred thousand americans died to be able to abolish slavery but let's just kind of take a step backwards and understand where we're living today there are more slaves right now on the planet than any other time in human history the fact you end slavery is a big deal why did we end slavery we ended slavery because of the courage and the heroism the bravery and the moral clarity of the founding fathers when they were born slavery was everywhere when they died in the 1820s slavery was largely on the way out and was abolished in the vast majority of the population in north america that's something that's worthy of study appreciation and gratitude amen i love it i have a feeling you're going to be a professor at hillsdale college here pretty soon so uh that's a professor that didn't go to college i think it's amazing be wonderful it's amazing all right hey let's let's start here connor who do you got is that adam hey adam what's up buddy good good all right this is what mike color do you have the yellow one okay is that yellow mike on there carl yep can you hear me now yep my question is in a state like the one you grew up like illinois it's very very clear who the people who are fighting our values are they typically have a d next to their name but in states like ours everybody likes to call themselves a republican so my question for you is how do you tell the difference between a rhino and a patriot i feel like that's a joke coming i don't know how do you tell the difference between the right one a patriot doesn't go to davos [Applause] good yeah so look there's a checklist right so they'll talk a good game on guns which by the way i just want to say what an unbelievable horrific tragedy in texas like it ruined my day honestly the last 24 hours just such unspeakable evil and just the immediate political robert francis o'rourke starts interrupting the press coming these people are so despicable honestly like it's basically they're giving a eulogy and a funeral and they interrupt it for political purposes and so just it should be a time of national mourning and they immediately go into a political posture it's so disgusting and so gross but yes i mean republicans will talk a good game on guns they'll talk a good game on these things but there are certain issues well they'll really kind of go back um and a couple of them that you kind of spot check on is you know how do they feel on mandatory vaccines how do they feel on lockdowns these are ways to flush out the rhino right to get them from behind the brush like now i see you right will they admit that there is a globalist force trying to squeeze the american way of life do they pander to every need want and concern of corporations or do they just kind of give you open-ended platitudes and one-liners that always kind of sound good are they willing to say that when it comes down to it they will defy the federal government and joe biden to protect their voters or they're just going to kind of go back to cushy type of sound bites um so this is something that our political vehicle again we have tpsa faith here which is a 501c3 but we have a political vehicle turning point action and turning point pack where we're going to be heavily involved now in the vetting of candidates um and i think this is very necessary where i i was on there's some great there's and this is not a slide against any organization they do wonderful work but i think better work can be done of giving you the information of the good candidates and because i have no i have no vested interest i don't i don't go to dc i don't lobby for stuff because a lot of these organizations are always lobbying it's weird right they rate the candidates and they lot i don't do that i don't care i just want to make sure you guys can make good decisions and give you the honest truth and i could tell you that that your question is so good because republican politicians take you for granted they think they can kind of raise a bunch of money and wink and not and be like yeah i'm going to say the right things to the grassroots when in reality they're so distant from your actual values right and so i think that it's it's beyond necessary and it's time that the grassroots gets the information so you guys can make the best decisions and the final thing i'll say is get involved in your primaries everybody your primaries are so unbelievable you guys just had friends i don't know how they i don't know how they worked out i hope they worked out favorably but okay cool uh jared hi my name's lori and um i am a hoosier who moved in north carolina so how do i find my courageous church because i can't find them so um i'm sorry i need that courageous church how can [Music] north of wilmington topsail island like by camp lejeune okay i don't know anyone in that specific area i know i have some great ones in charlotte some great ones in boone we'll connect you though so this is part of that's what i want so we're developing we haven't been doing a year jared is doing a great job with us and so at tpu say faith is we want to have just a directory of vetted churches that you could find and people are messaging me and i respond really quickly on my podcast where they say what's the great church in albuquerque steve smotherman's church how about phoenix arizona i got a long list and it's amazing that sometimes they live five minutes away and they had no idea and so we'll definitely get you connected with one i don't know one off the top of my head in that particular area but we have at least 10 good churches in other parts of north carolina that i know dream city has one in asheville i know that's quite a ways that's the other side right um charlotte we have a couple in um in raleigh but i know i'm just saying that we're we're building that work and we're strengthening it but we want to be able to make sure you know the good churches so you could support them with your tithes your time and your offerings so god bless you great that'd be a that'd be a good app like if you had an app on your phone like a turning point app like a church app like right in your church yes yeah i know right yeah love it i'm gonna make you okay you're hired [Laughter] uh conor yeah okay uh because of my understanding of the history and how this country was founded and the sacrifices and the the the blood that it took to get liberty and and justice for all do you believe or think that it's going to be able to be kept or brought back to us peacefully that's my prayer and that should be your prayer too the other side doesn't want that and so i denounce violence in every form whatsoever because the other side continually tries to provoke us towards it and i want you to think about it it's almost as if they're trying to trigger a reaction that then then can trigger a counter reaction to really take our freedoms and liberties away you could see that with how they react to the january 6th stuff which they want to create like a whole new kind of super state i'm going to kind of connect it to moms for liberty mom's for liberty wonderful organization where they literally go and show up at school board meetings to complain about curriculum and they they said in the memo the national school board association of america memo they they wanted joe biden to use the net the military police and to go send in the national guard to school board meetings because they were so worried that parents were complaining about curriculum now if you if they want to keep things peaceful why would you want to bring the military police to school board meetings go a step further one of the leaders from moms for liberty was it you or wasn't you okay no okay i want to make sure i get okay that was literally spied on by the department of justice youth is using threat assessment tags because they showed up at a school board meeting so there's very very malevolent and pernicious and dark activity happening at the top levels of our government let me tell you what the other side i think wants to try to provoke us so that they can use force against us i believe though that our greatest asset is what god gave us which is our ability to speak to have dialogue in the beginning there was the word the word is actually rational speech and the word was god the word was with god and the word became god i believe that our greatest hope is to win people over using our capacity to persuade and to convince and have better arguments they're the ones that continuously have to use force against us we're the ones that can win people over when they hear our arguments and our ideas so you ask me do i think it can happen peacefully yes i do in fact i believe that it i i don't want it to happen fizz no one wants that okay and any way shape or form to happen any other any other way besides that let me say one final point on this though which people ask me all the time charlie are you pessimistic are you optimistic and i refuse to answer the question because if i tell you i'm optimistic then you're going to go home and do nothing because you say oh we're going to win because charlie said we're going to win if i say i'm pessimistic you're going to go home and say i'm going to do nothing because charlie said we're going to lose so the way i'm gonna answer the question is is what are you doing about it to make sure we win that's that's the answer which is it takes all of us in how we purchase goods and where you send your kids to school in what you buy and where you travel and all these things that matters reviving citizen government and i can tell you right now from the world economic forum to the people the world health assembly to the people in our government they're super paranoid and nervous that the everyday citizen is rising against their regime they don't understand why we have not given up yet they don't understand why everyday americans are more hopeful they thought that we were going to give up and raise the white flag but guess what we as americans are tougher than that we're not the french that run away when things get bad we're not the british that complain about everything all the time we're americans and it's going to take a lot more than an interfered with election and this joke of a president and all this nonsense to have us give up not after the history we have not after the greatest generation not after the founding fathers we got a lot we got a lot of fight left in us as americans and they don't get it and that's why we're going to win thank you i appreciate it amen it's awesome all right uh jared hi my name is malachi and i was wondering if you were going to add any middle school content soon if you want to start a middle school turning point usa chapter that's right i love you want to do that um yes so we have a great question we're working on curriculum we're working on some things through turning point academy we're gonna have some big announcements soon uh actually with the church in phoenix arizona that's gonna be really exciting um where we're gonna have christian biblical curriculum christian biblical economic teaching that if the lord decides to bless it uh can maybe be outsourced to schools across the country there's a lot of people doing curriculum we're not going to try to duplicate anything but i think that there is a unique need for christian-based civic education right now that really makes a good defense of america and from a christian and biblical worldview um and that includes sixth seventh and eighth grade as well um and i tell i tell parents this look our podcast and we'll talk about our podcast at the end of this conversation never a swear word never any i always kind of warn parents ahead of time if there are sensitive seventh and eighth graders i think should be listening to our podcast you could learn a lot news of the day and i think it would actually make you more informed and better understanding kind of what's happening in the world around you so god bless you malachi yeah it's awesome that's a follow-up and i just turned 11 today and i'm wondering if you have any books besides the bible um that i are good for me to read that's a great question so 11 years old um i'll give you a couple good books so when you're 11 to 15 parents should be getting their kids to read a lot of biographies because kid needs kids needs heroes okay biographies are great ways to be able to get kids to believe that their life can have meaning and to rep because at that age of life they really need someone to kind of look up to um find a good biography on winston churchill he's the greatest man to live in the 20th century uh a story of pure will and we're we all live freer today thanks to winston churchill um for 11 years old if you can get through it mere christianity is a great book if you can get i think you're smart so you could do that um and then i would also recommend the founders bible which is a phenomenal bible uh that my great friends gave me which is a way to read the bible and also have some historical uh knowledge throughout if if you're if you're willing and able for it and your parents are okay with it uh because there are some sensitive and suggestive scenes 1984 and brave new world but those are a little bit more adult books at times but they'll teach you a lot about tyranny and they'll turn you into an ultra patriot very very quick and ultra mega patriots oh ultra mega that's right it's not the craziest thing oh my goodness that's so funny i was like yeah that's right um the final thing that i would say boy at age 11 um kind of just a really good kind of go-to reference and and go-to book um for anybody of any age is kind of the timeless work of our founding fathers anything that they wrote from the federalist papers or their private journals are just great to go to but i gave you enough references so dive into those be a lifelong learner and find out here's something i wish someone would have told me at 11. find out the best way you learn if you read books best do that if you listen to audiobooks do that if you're a visual person do that um and i wish someone would have told me that earlier because i'm i'm the best at listening i listen to books all the time some people aren't that way i'm an okay reader i just love consuming information audibly i just remember it better so god bless you malakai thanks for being here appreciate it and i think we'll do i i hate to cut it short but i just want to be respectful of everyone's time here but i think we'll maybe do two more uh questions if that's okay does that sound is it something i know i'm sorry i would i could stay later i just i mean whatever you guys want i mean your team is gonna kill me they were like okay hey he said he said it's still light outside that's true it is it's it's summer i want to be respectful of your time but i look i want to i also want to bless you guys in any way i can so i'm here to stay so we'll do maybe a couple more so we'll see what that is all right connor what do you got hi my name is mackenzie and i was thinking about your topic of the three churches in the three c's and i was speaking to actually a few of my christians and my fellow circles ones especially my age and i was trying to ask them like why don't you stand up why don't you fight for things why do you see this isn't an issue and two of the reasons they give me is they like to quote romans 13 1 to me let every soul be subject in the higher powers there is no power but of god the powers that be are ordained of god and so they like to say well we're supposed to be subject to them god obviously put them in place there so we need to respect their leadership and then they also like to throw the argument out there well we know what's going to happen in the end we're told how the end is supposed to look so anything we do is not going to stop it so why fight now because we ultimately know how it's going to end how should i respond to that because i know that's not right because i know we're still called to fight how should i respond to them saying well we need to be subject we also just need to i guess be okay with it because it's not going to matter in the end you just asked a great question but i'm gonna involve you in the answer okay all right so in romans 13 it says we must submit to all rulers and those in authority right so i'm going to ask you and there's no wrong answer but let's kind of learn together uh according to the us constitution who are the rulers we the people right so the politicians have to submit to us yes you know how many do you know how many pastors it is amazing how many pastors in this last two years have said to me and said micah you're not submitting to the authority god raised up i'm like who is the it's us what are you talking about and that's the that's the amazing breakthrough the founders are able to accomplish the sovereign is with the people not the king not the bloodline not the pulit bureau not the bureaucracy so the rulers actually if they read romans 13 and they're elected they must submit to our will which is the people and we submit to god's will hopefully okay number one number two you asked about eschatology okay the study of the end times so people ask me all the time charlie are you pre-trib are you post-trib look i'm pan-trip it's all gonna pan out in the end okay [Laughter] never in the gospels does jesus say to stop fighting evil or proclaiming truth if you think things are all of a sudden going to be going towards never does it says occupy till i come he's salt and light so look people say all the time charlie the house is on fire i just want to get the kids out jesus is coming next thursday we're all getting zapped up i say you're using your eschatology as an excuse jesus says the time and the hour is unknown you look at the signs of the times but if your inaction is correlated to an apathy then i'm going to say something provocative you're no different than greta thunder [Laughter] how dare you seriously but how dare let's think about it greta thunder and people that don't act because they're eschatology are doing the same thing for the same reason the world is going to end so why does it matter yeah and that's nihilism that is not christianity christianity we should be trying to proclaim the truth if you think things are falling apart you should be accelerating your attempt to try to spread god's goodness not the opposite so the answer i would say is reject your friend cynicism and excuse and nihilism to try to say well we know how the book ends and we also know what we're supposed to do we know that the persecution is supposed to intensify but we lean in we know that the lies in the slander are going to increase but we lean in and we know that god will bless us or judge us based on how we do that at that period of time so challenge your friends to not allow their eschatology to be an excuse for their inaction wonderful question thanks for being here tonight we'll do two more okay we'll do two more we'll do two more here and there okay hi charlie my name's amanda tocus and about a year ago i started kind of a grassroots effort in my school district getting involved and recently decided to go ahead and run for school board and one of the things that i'm already tackling is uh trying to identify uh sexually explicit books within our schools and i've tapped into that and the media and a lot of people of course have gotten the you know national library association involved and of course they're attacking me my question to you then is do i engage or do i disengage so are they attacking you for trying to they're labeling me as a book banner and racist and homophobe okay um well if it's making if it's harder for you to do your job then i'm always okay with responding and all that i i think you should fight lies wherever they come across your life that's my own personal opinion and so kind of let's talk about this kind of idea of book banning is such a insane so the protection of the innocence of children by definition requires standards and restriction by by definition i mean the innocence of children is something that jesus himself went out of his way to say that we have a moral obligation to try to protect and so this is where liberty goes wrong if you don't understand what liberty is liberty is the pursuit of virtue liberty is not doing what you want to do whenever you want to do it i'll prove it to you the least free person that all of you know is an alcoholic they are the least free people in the world they are a slave to their flesh the flesh is always telling you to do what you want to do when you want to do it how you want to do it liberty is restraining yourself towards virtue because that's actually keeping you free and you as a parent or guardian have to do the restraining so you're not a book banner no no you're implementing virtuous books and good things but you will prevent nonsensical garbage and yes satanic garbage from being put towards 10 and 11 12 year olds stuff that is pornographic by any other objective measure so i just want to encourage you first and foremost you're doing the right thing national library association all these maniacs whatever they're doing whatever um i so i think there's something really sick and twisted about this growing pervert movement in america that wants to keep on trying to go after people's children we're on the side of parents they're on the side of perverts and the innocence of children is something we must defend unquestionably no matter what thank you awesome [Applause] yeah yeah yep yep all right so we'll do one more question but first just first i want to do a a selfish plug really quick everybody if you'll go with me um so as i mentioned we do three podcasts today three hours of radio day we are un under constant threat by google and facebook to kind of kick us off these platforms so one way you guys could bless us it's totally free of charge um is you guys could subscribe to our podcast and become and just you take out your phone it's free of charge it's really easy i think there's right now if you you did 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question so i've been you know interested and had a passion for freedom pretty much my whole life since i was a little girl and you know i've had other christians actually tell me that christians shouldn't be involved and i watched a ronald reagan's speech a few weeks ago the evil empire that's what it's called and he was talking about how christians that think that it's actually a pride issue because they think they're above it they're above politics and things and i just wondered what you thought of that and also um what a young conservative like me can do to get involved because you know i post on social media and all those things but you only can reach so many people like that so well first of all i totally agree it's a pride thing i also think that it's twofold i think some people don't want to get involved um because they don't want the annoyance of it um they wish it didn't exist you know people say all the time oh politics is messy like so is the church what's your point right anything that involves human beings is going to be messy but politics is important it's very important the type of government we have matters a lot i'm not saying it's more important remember first thing second thing but we have we have to push back against that nonsense in every single um every single possible way um your second point what can a young conservative do what can conservatives do there's a great final question by the way because i was going to get here so many of you came here tonight and you laughed you got excited and you're wondering all right charlie what do i do the odds seem overwhelming like i've done everything that's been asked of me i watched tucker carlson [Laughter] i bought the pillow [Laughter] i have piles which is funny i've actually do both of those things i didn't actually buy a pillow i was like i got to support that guy he's amazing i got piles of relief factor i reverse mortgage my home [Laughter] i have this weird chair that goes up the stairs i don't know what it does what else can i do i'm going to give you some marching orders everybody which is we have to change our attitude to an attitude of courage and that is from the lord in all that we do what is courage courage is doing the right thing when you do not know how it's going to work out courage is committing yourself to the good above the expedient cur moral courage is the most necessary yet absent characteristic in men and the cool thing about courage is anyone can be courageous you don't have to be smart you don't have to be rich you don't have to be well connected anybody can make a choice to be courageous you just have to make that choice the courage the courageous person says i don't care what will be done to me i care what is good and what is true so we as christians are called to do more courageous actions number one number two we got to build more stuff we got to build bigger families we got to build bigger churches we have to build bigger businesses god we are made of the image of god as creators we got to create more stuff and build more stuff and we have to take more risks in my personal opinion in the marketplace and building bigger churches and bigger communities and doing all that we have to stop this cynical nonsense which is alluded to earlier charlie everything's falling apart or it's falling into place or whatever i'm not going to do anything reject that time in the hour is unknown we have to think bigger more ambitiously we're up against the most unhappy the most kind of foolish and quite honestly like degenerate political movement ever they're always negative all the time we could be the positive we should be that we have we have the true answers so we should always be spreading that with joy and compassion and magnanimity and the final thing i'll say with this which i think is really important of what you can do is you've got to keep on bringing it to the lord fast and pray for your nation daniel did this and i encourage people at least once a month if you're worried about your country and again you've got all the accessories around your house right you know the relief factor and the pill and all that i'd say your time would be better used fasting and praying for your nation the lord will speak to you ask god for wisdom and he will give it to you generously is what it says in james 1 5. and so keep on bringing that to the lord and i think god will speak to an amazing ways he might whisper in your ear run for office whisper in your ear support that ministry whisper in your ear micah's family needs some help and support pray for them so be constantly engaged and involved and it's a it's a posture change which i know is hard for some of you where we have to stop being a spectator and start being a participant in the arena it could be something as simple as getting involved with the teep usa faith group that we have at life church it could be something like hey i'm going to help the local republican organization i'm going to bring them cookies once a month whatever it is you're going to get more engaged and more involved i'm going to be a princeton committeeman i'm going to go help register voters all these things matter but that changes with the attitude an attitude of optimism and of joy and of asking god god use me as your vessel wherever we possibly can to fight for liberty to set the captives free god bless you [Music]