Charlie Kirk on Right Wing Revolution, Trump's 2020 Obsession, and How Republicans Should Handle Abortion

[00:00] There's a new book out and I've been

[00:02] reading over the weekend. Uh Charlie

[00:05] Kirk, rightwing

[00:07] revolution,

[00:09] how to beat the woke and save the west.

[00:14] He's not talking about the wild west.

[00:16] He's talking about the west as far as

[00:20] USA, Europe, this and that. And then the

[00:24] walk stuff in the book's pretty good. I

[00:25] have to say it's good research in the

[00:27] book. I learned some stuff. Um, you may

[00:30] know Kirk. He's the founder of Turning

[00:32] Point USA. Uh, he's got a radio program,

[00:36] uh, on Salem. Uh, he has written three

[00:40] other books. Uh, and he is a committed

[00:44] conservative. He joins us now from

[00:46] Phoenix, Arizona. All right. So, um, I'm

[00:51] halfway through your book. I'm not that

[00:53] convinced

[00:55] there's going to be a right-wing

[00:57] revolution in this country.

[00:59] All right. Convince me I'm wrong.

[01:04] >> Well, I I hope I'm right. I mean, part

[01:06] of the book, as you well know, is trying

[01:08] to lay the foundation that this is what

[01:09] is necessary. Now, I will say, though,

[01:11] Bill, uh, we're starting to see a little

[01:13] rumblings in France, and we're seeing

[01:15] this across Europe, in Belgium, in the

[01:17] Netherlands. Saw it a little bit in

[01:18] Argentina and El Salvador. And I want to

[01:20] be very clear that part of this idea of

[01:22] a right-wing revolution is just

[01:24] reentering the country around normal and

[01:27] agreeable public policy positions such

[01:29] as we should have a border such as that

[01:31] children are off limits when it comes to

[01:34] medical mutilation. And so the idea of a

[01:36] right-wing revolution is actually

[01:37] recentering back to a country of the

[01:39] late 80s or early 90s. Bill, it's

[01:41] impossible to predict. You might be

[01:42] right. It might not happen. However,

[01:44] across the Western world, we're starting

[01:46] to see more and more citizens, everyday

[01:49] people start to resist left-wing

[01:51] policies of mass migration and cheap

[01:54] money and albeit also inflation. Uh, and

[01:57] they want to try to get back to the ways

[01:59] the way things were, more orderly, more

[02:01] sensible, less radical, less insane. The

[02:05] days where we did not have to wonder if

[02:06] our eight-year-olds in school were going

[02:08] to be taught then men could give birth.

[02:10] >> Okay. Uh, I don't disagree with anything

[02:13] you just said because you're being a

[02:16] fact-based guy. All right. In the recent

[02:19] votes in the EU in Europe, the

[02:23] right-wing parties, they branded

[02:25] farright by the New York Times, but

[02:27] they're not really far right. Some of

[02:29] them are, but most of them are just

[02:30] consider people saying, "Look, we've had

[02:33] enough. We're overrun here by migrants.

[02:37] They're changing everybody's way of

[02:39] life. We're a welfare state anyway. Most

[02:42] European countries are. We can't afford

[02:45] to support all of these people. So,

[02:47] we're we're going to try to go into a

[02:50] more conservative government. Absolutely

[02:52] true. No doubt about it. But it's a

[02:56] little bit different dynamic in America.

[02:59] Okay. So you got Biden almost with par

[03:05] in the polling with Trump whereby if you

[03:09] look at the damage Biden has done to

[03:12] this country in three and a half years

[03:14] it's colossal and if you look at the

[03:17] polls 70% of Americans say going in the

[03:20] wrong direction.

[03:22] So, by all of that,

[03:25] Biden should be down 20 points in these

[03:28] presidential polls, but he's not. And

[03:30] that's what gives me a hesitation that

[03:33] there might be a right-wing revolution.

[03:37] That's a great point, Bill. And

[03:39] presidential elections are tricky where

[03:40] even if a president has a sub50%

[03:43] approval rating, sometimes they get

[03:45] reelected. And so, I want to be clear,

[03:47] I'm not predicting a right-wing

[03:48] revolution will happen in November. I'm

[03:50] hoping I'm starting to see signs that it

[03:52] could be bubbling up. However, Bill, I

[03:54] will say a recent CBS poll, which was

[03:56] the poll heard around the world, showed

[03:58] that 62% of Americans support mass

[04:01] deportations. Uh that was not the case 5

[04:03] or 10 years ago. That is a new

[04:05] phenomenon. on the side when it

[04:09] >> but the the dichotomy is that's Trump's

[04:12] position

[04:14] >> but you got 62 saying yeah yeah but you

[04:17] don't have Trump at 62

[04:20] >> winning beating Biden who would have to

[04:22] get 38 see that's that's the

[04:26] >> go ahead

[04:28] >> and no I just I think that's a smart

[04:29] point and I think in presidential

[04:31] politics it becomes very personality

[04:32] driven and less policy driven and that's

[04:34] for better or for worse I think it

[04:36] actually helps Donald Trump in certain

[04:37] areas where no matter, you know, what he

[04:39] does, they're going to stay with him.

[04:40] I'm a huge supporter of his. Also hurts

[04:42] him where other people are not willing

[04:44] to entertain his policies. There was an

[04:46] there was interesting poll last week

[04:47] that came out that showed that Democrats

[04:49] love the idea of no taxes on tips,

[04:52] waiters and waitresses, people in the uh

[04:54] when they rely on tips. However, they

[04:56] hate the idea if they found out it was

[04:58] Donald Trump's policy position. It was a

[05:00] fascinating poll. It was like a 50point

[05:02] move. So, it's it's a it's a it's a

[05:03] great point, Bill. And it goes to show

[05:05] that on the issue set though, I think

[05:07] the country is more center right than we

[05:09] give it credit for. It's more center

[05:11] right when it comes on immigration, more

[05:13] center right when it comes on size and

[05:14] scope of government and spending.

[05:16] >> Okay. Um the Supreme Court announced

[05:19] today it's going to hear this genital

[05:20] mutilation stuff uh next fall um where

[05:25] states are banning any kind of

[05:26] operations for uh Americans under the

[05:29] age of 18. Even if the parents consent

[05:31] to it, they're banned. Supreme Court's

[05:34] going to hear that. I'm going to submit

[05:36] to you that one of the things that is

[05:40] holding Donald Trump back from getting

[05:43] independent votes, all right, is his

[05:47] obsession

[05:49] with the election of 2020.

[05:52] And you were on board with the election

[05:56] was a fraud. I followed you because you

[05:59] to me the reason I follow Kirk and my a

[06:02] I'm talking to my audience now. He's 30

[06:04] years old. He's got a lot of input

[06:07] coming in from the younger folks,

[06:09] younger Americans. All right? And so I I

[06:13] follow what he's doing to see what

[06:16] they're doing, what they're thinking,

[06:18] because I want the full spectrum from 18

[06:21] all the way up to death. All right. Now,

[06:24] I got a lot of younger viewers now

[06:26] because of YouTube, which shocks me, but

[06:30] that's why I follow Kirk. So, back to

[06:33] the question. I think that Trump's

[06:35] obsession with 2020,

[06:38] all right, still continues to hurt him

[06:42] in this election. Am I wrong?

[06:47] >> So, first I'll say that there's a season

[06:49] for all things. and when it was really a

[06:51] let's just say a recent wound, I think

[06:53] it was helpful to talk about ways we

[06:55] could have secured the election better

[06:56] and things we could have done better in

[06:58] 2020. I will say though in this season

[07:00] we're in right now, talking about 2020

[07:02] does not do us any good. So, I'm in full

[07:04] agreement. For example, I think a trap

[07:07] question that might be thrown at Donald

[07:09] Trump this debate will be if Jake Tapper

[07:11] asks Donald Trump if the 2020 do you

[07:13] accept the 2020 election results? How

[07:15] Donald Trump navigates that question?

[07:17] Well, how he Well, I think how he

[07:19] navigates that question is important and

[07:21] there's a variety of ways he can do

[07:23] that. Uh because I think

[07:25] >> there's only one way. No, there's only

[07:27] one way, Charlie. Only one. When Tapper

[07:31] asks him in it, it's a when, not an if.

[07:34] He looks at the camera and says, "It is

[07:38] my opinion

[07:41] that the vote in 2020

[07:44] was flawed. I would like to know

[07:48] where the $300 million

[07:52] that Mark Zuckerberg put into the

[07:55] election

[07:56] went.

[07:58] And I think those are a legitimate

[08:00] opinions to hold. That's it. No more.

[08:05] >> I think that's just those two points.

[08:09] >> I think that's really smart and he has

[08:11] to be prepared for that. uh because

[08:13] Tapper will ask that directly and Joe

[08:15] Biden's going to try to pile on. And so

[08:18] uh I I think I think we agree, Bill. I

[08:20] think Donald Trump's at his best when he

[08:22] is a forwardfacing vision casting

[08:24] candidate, especially to contrast

[08:26] against the disaster of the Biden

[08:28] presidency.

[08:29] >> Okay. How should the Republican party,

[08:32] and we did this earlier in the program

[08:34] today, handle the abortion issue in your

[08:37] opinion?

[08:40] So, I say this as someone who is uh

[08:42] resolutely pro-life. So, I want to make

[08:43] sure I everyone understands my

[08:45] credentials, but I also want to win

[08:46] elections. So, I think we have to

[08:47] operate with prudence and put this in

[08:49] the hands of voters. Let's take Arizona

[08:51] for example. Here in Arizona, this is a

[08:53] pro-choice, pro-abortion state. I say

[08:56] that with a little bit of sadness

[08:57] because I wish it was more pro-life. So,

[08:59] you have to find some sort of measure or

[09:02] mean or some sort of agreeable limit

[09:05] that allows you to still win elections

[09:08] and make progress in the pro-life

[09:09] direction. So, for example, 70% of

[09:12] Americans do not think that abortion up

[09:14] until the point of birth is something

[09:16] that we should allow. That could put the

[09:17] Democrats on defense. So again, I say

[09:19] this as someone who is pro-life, but

[09:20] I'll also say that if we do not approach

[09:23] this issue correctly or with any sort of

[09:26] wisdom, then it could end up being a

[09:28] losing political issue for Republicans.

[09:31] And the failure to recognize or that or

[09:34] acknowledge that is not living in the

[09:36] current American political reality. All

[09:39] right, Charlie Kirk, the book is

[09:42] Rightwing Revolution: How to Beat the

[09:45] Woke and Save the West. Now, if I send

[09:48] you a uh notwoke mug from bill

[09:52] O'Reilly.com, are you going to you going

[09:54] to use that?

[09:55] >> I will. I will happily receive it. I

[09:57] will. Absolutely. So,

[09:58] >> all right. Because this is our

[10:00] bestselling mug ever. It's sweeping the

[10:04] country. And since you wrote a book

[10:06] about beating the woke, you ought to

[10:08] have one. And we're going to send one to

[10:09] you. Appreciate it, Charlie. Good luck

[10:11] with the book. Thank you for coming on.

[10:13] We'll talk again. Okay.

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