Joe Rogan and Media Figures React to MSNBC Coverage of Charlie Kirk Shooting Incident at Utah Valley University

[00:00] You guys haven't seen this. You've seen

[00:01] a short clip on Twitter yesterday. You

[00:03] haven't seen all Nobody has seen this.

[00:05] >> And I always go back to hateful thoughts

[00:08] lead to hateful words which then lead to

[00:12] >> Were you saying that MSNBC had a crazy

[00:14] take on it?

[00:17] >> Whoa.

[00:20] >> Clinton Jaws, I tried to It wasn't a

[00:22] good night last night. I made a video

[00:26] last night in this motor home while the

[00:29] woman was on the couch and it was so

[00:32] emotional.

[00:34] I was so angry. I was all over the

[00:36] place. I reviewed the video afterwards

[00:39] and I'm like, I can't post this.

[00:42] I just I can't post it. I guess I was

[00:44] yelling so loud the woman was concerned

[00:48] and she came to the motor home.

[00:52] [Music]

[00:57] Why are you yelling like that? You can

[01:00] hear it outside.

[01:08] The wife

[01:13] I got mad at this video, okay? And the

[01:15] wife just opened up the RV door and

[01:17] said, "Why are you yelling?"

[01:19] Because I can't believe what I'm seeing.

[01:22] What's a guy got to do to get some

[01:23] privacy around here? I apologized. I

[01:26] watched MSNBC and I was grossed out by

[01:29] their reporting. The coldest network on

[01:32] the planet. And then this morning, I

[01:34] watched Joe Rogan's response to them.

[01:36] This is how real people responded to the

[01:39] news yesterday about Charlie Kirk. Megan

[01:42] Kelly. They're reporting that Charlie

[01:44] has died,

[01:48] that he's dead

[01:50] at the age of 31,

[01:57] which he would have to be if that video

[01:59] was real.

[02:02] There's no way he survived that. There's

[02:04] no way that

[02:08] the only good thing is

[02:12] It had to have happened quickly.

[02:16] >> Right.

[02:17] >> Officer Tatum

[02:23] Warren Smith

[02:25] >> and you know he's going to have the

[02:27] interaction

[02:28] one shot. I was watching Charlie. I

[02:32] can't say that I saw blood. I can't say

[02:34] that I saw

[02:36] >> we saw blood

[02:36] >> him get hit but I did see him.

[02:39] >> I don't even know, man.

[02:45] at Fox News

[02:46] >> and I do my best to provide you the

[02:48] latest information about Charlie Kirk.

[02:50] The communications director of Turning

[02:52] Point USA has asked our team to give a

[02:55] moment of silence and prayer. And so we

[02:57] are going to do that right now. We're

[02:59] going to pause and offer our prayer. We

[03:01] hope you join along.

[03:11] However, and to whomever you pray, I

[03:13] hope in this moment you can pray for

[03:15] Charlie Kirk.

[03:16] >> Yeah,

[03:17] >> Greg, I'm sorry.

[03:18] >> I'm sorry to interrupt you. Um,

[03:21] >> it is my uh it is my great dishonor to

[03:23] be the person that says this and breaks

[03:25] this to you on television, but President

[03:27] Donald Trump is announcing on True

[03:29] Social

[03:31] the great and even legendary Charlie

[03:32] Kirk is dead.

[03:36] I don't really know where you go from

[03:38] here.

[03:41] I don't know where we go from here in a

[03:43] news program and I don't know where we

[03:44] go from here in America.

[03:49] I don't know what's left for us as a

[03:50] country to discuss when even a

[03:52] discussion and a debate over the issues

[03:53] results in violence that leads to the

[03:55] death of a good man in this country.

[04:05] And now, MSNBC.

[04:08] >> We have some breaking news from Utah

[04:10] that we want to get to right now. Shots

[04:11] fired

[04:12] >> during a speech by right-wing activist

[04:14] Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University

[04:16] in Oram. This happened really just

[04:19] moments ago. Kirk was about 20 minutes

[04:21] into his speech when shots were fired

[04:23] from a nearby building. According to the

[04:25] university, there are reports that Kirk

[04:28] was hit, but as far as they know. Um,

[04:31] but we're not clear on them as of right

[04:33] now.

[04:33] >> A lot that we really don't know yet. Um,

[04:36] I know we were just talking about the

[04:37] federal takeover in Washington that

[04:39] began after a member of the Doge team

[04:41] was allegedly assaulted in Washington.

[04:44] So, it's going to be interesting to see

[04:45] what conservative leaders want to do

[04:46] there after after this episode.

[04:48] >> Yeah, we're showing, by the way, our

[04:49] affiliate in Utah um uh and the

[04:51] aftermath of this shooting. You could

[04:54] see people running away pretty quickly

[04:55] as as you would imagine they would do.

[04:57] Charlie Kirk is a divisive figure. Um

[04:59] polarizing, lightning rod, whatever term

[05:01] you want to use. Why?

[05:03] >> Why?

[05:04] >> Uh well, he's one of MAGA's most

[05:06] prominent voices online. He hosts a near

[05:09] daily podcast. He opines on almost

[05:11] everything. He's been very closely

[05:12] aligned with the president uh since his

[05:14] initial run for office in 2015 2016. And

[05:17] his ties to Trump really elevated his

[05:19] own brand and he has kind of ridden

[05:21] along with MAGA. um since 2016 and built

[05:24] up a massive massive brand of his own.

[05:27] >> Why has he why has he gotten so much

[05:31] support on these college campuses? You

[05:32] know, I was talking actually to my son

[05:34] about this and he said Charlie Kirk

[05:37] >> in his belief is the only

[05:40] >> young politician that is out there that

[05:43] meets kids where they are. He's not a

[05:46] politician but affiliated with politics.

[05:48] and that the response to that has been

[05:51] pretty overwhelming.

[05:52] >> Her kid obviously likes Charlie Kirk,

[05:55] but she's not going to say that on air.

[05:57] >> Uh, he has 3.8 million subscribers on

[05:59] YouTube. It's quite a lot. 5.2 on on X,

[06:02] formerly known as Twitter. What is the

[06:05] messaging?

[06:06] >> What's the messaging?

[06:07] >> Well, I mean, he has certainly been

[06:08] front and center on a lot of the more

[06:10] divisive social and cultural issues that

[06:13] have driven the MAGA movement. I mean,

[06:15] you talk about trans rights. Um, a lot

[06:17] of issues around race, racial justice.

[06:19] >> He says trans rights. Charlie had no

[06:22] problem with trans rights. Wasn't trying

[06:24] to take away trans rights.

[06:27] >> This he has taken the sort of contrarian

[06:30] Moraga approach to a lot of these

[06:32] issues. And he has uh, you know, he's

[06:35] been pretty inflammatory in his rhetoric

[06:38] throughout the years. And that's how

[06:39] he's been able to build such a huge

[06:41] platform. Um, just to give you guys a

[06:43] sense of the uh gun laws in uh Utah

[06:48] as of May 2021, individuals 21 or older

[06:51] can legally own a gun and carry it

[06:53] openly or concealed in public without a

[06:55] permit. I believe we have Matthew Dow

[06:57] with us. Um, control room. Do we have

[06:59] Matthew?

[07:00] >> You got to listen to this, Dork. Listen

[07:02] to this.

[07:03] >> Uh, talk to me about the environment.

[07:05] You know, we are there the reports of

[07:08] exactly what happened are not confirmed

[07:10] yet,

[07:11] >> but talk to me about the environment um

[07:13] in which a shooting like this happens.

[07:15] >> Environment.

[07:16] >> Yeah. And again, emphasize what you just

[07:18] emphasized. We don't know any full

[07:20] details of this that we don't know if

[07:22] this was a supporter shooting their gun

[07:23] off in celebration or so. We have no

[07:26] idea about this. But following up, what

[07:28] >> has that ever happened in the history?

[07:30] I'm gonna not I'm not going to yell.

[07:35] You know all those rallies you go to

[07:36] where people bring their firearms and

[07:38] they're going, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[07:39] yeah." And they're shooting off their

[07:40] gun. He got hit by friendly fire guys.

[07:43] How are these guys on the air? We don't

[07:45] know

[07:46] >> that. We don't know if this was a

[07:47] supporter shooting their gun off in

[07:49] celebration or so. We have no idea about

[07:51] this. Following up what was just said,

[07:54] he's been one of the most divisive,

[07:56] especially divisive, younger figures in

[07:58] this who is constantly sort of pushing

[08:01] this sort of hate speech or sort of

[08:04] aimed at certain groups. And I always go

[08:06] back to

[08:10] >> hateful thoughts lead to hateful words

[08:13] which then lead to hateful actions. And

[08:16] I think that's the environment we're in

[08:18] that that people just you can't stop

[08:20] with these sort of awful thoughts you

[08:22] have and then saying these awful words

[08:24] and not expect awful actions to take

[08:26] place. And that's the unfortunate

[08:28] environment for words and not expect

[08:30] awful actions to take place. And that's

[08:33] the unfortunate environment we're in.

[08:34] >> I I Turning Point USA has confirmed that

[08:37] he was shot.

[08:39] >> Um and there are a number of videos

[08:41] online that show the the same. There's

[08:45] also reports that he was there with his

[08:47] daughter. He's got a young daughter.

[08:48] He's got two young kids. Um and the uh

[08:52] it also appears um that they could

[08:56] potentially have a suspect in custody.

[08:59] We have Mark Santia with us as well. He

[09:01] covers.

[09:02] >> Um let's talk a little bit more about

[09:03] the environment again because I I think

[09:05] that's important. We've seen an uptick

[09:09] in political gun violence, Matt, um, in

[09:11] the last few months, especially there

[09:13] were the, you know, attempts on Donald

[09:14] Trump's life, obviously, going back last

[09:16] summer, a year ago,

[09:18] >> and we have this awful toxic stew of of

[09:22] political divisive hate speech that's

[09:25] being pushed combined with

[09:27] simultaneously combined with

[09:29] >> I mean this when I say this, Charlie

[09:31] Kirk was what there wasn't a hateful

[09:35] bone in his body. He was 100% good. We

[09:39] all know that

[09:40] >> with unbelievable access that people

[09:42] have to guns and guns at every level,

[09:46] not just handguns or shotguns, but you

[09:48] know, assault rifles in this and this,

[09:50] as I say, we're one of one in the in the

[09:53] world where we have this free speech

[09:55] which has turned into hate speech

[09:57] combined with an unbelievable access to

[10:00] guns.

[10:01] >> And it it's these awful things, if all

[10:03] of this is true, these awful things

[10:05] happen. And I I hope I know we say this

[10:07] every time Katie I hope that we can sort

[10:10] of take a beat pause and say what are we

[10:13] doing in America different and why is

[10:15] this happening here

[10:17] >> and you have people who have been

[10:18] covering the issue as reporters for

[10:20] decades saying the only only thing that

[10:23] would help is if there were stricter gun

[10:26] laws on the book federally laws that

[10:28] were strict. Do you not think that it's

[10:31] the mentally ill that should be locked

[10:34] up? We used to do that. They used to go

[10:37] into institutions. Do you not think that

[10:39] that might be the problem?

[10:41] >> He grew very close to Donald Trump. He

[10:43] could certainly be said to be a a Donald

[10:45] Trump confidant in good standing,

[10:47] someone who's incredibly supportive of

[10:49] the president and whom the president

[10:50] would call sort of randomly to chat

[10:52] with. Uh I've been on Charlie's show.

[10:54] Very smart guy. He is the voice of young

[10:56] conservatives. Don't you find it weird?

[11:01] These people aren't real.

[11:03] There's no emotion.

[11:06] He's done an interview with him. This

[11:08] guy doesn't even care. They don't care.

[11:11] It's gross.

[11:12] >> After one of the Doge uh employees was

[11:16] allegedly attacked in Washington DC,

[11:18] that's what Donald Trump used as a

[11:21] justification to send in

[11:23] federal troops into Washington DC to to

[11:26] get things under control. the carjacking

[11:28] situation. He used that.

[11:29] >> Yeah.

[11:30] >> And I I know it's hard to predict the

[11:31] future, Mark, but you can imagine the

[11:34] administration using this as a

[11:35] justification for something.

[11:37] >> He is.

[11:38] >> I sure hope so. Why wouldn't you hope

[11:41] so?

[11:42] He got murdered in broad daylight.

[11:45] >> He is a polarizing figure. He is a

[11:47] lightning rod. He makes some people feel

[11:50] very angry. But the um the consensus

[11:53] seems to be across the political

[11:55] spectrum that this sort of thing

[11:56] >> seems to be

[11:57] >> is awful.

[11:58] >> One thing that's relevant, so the

[12:00] special agent in charge of the Salt Lake

[12:01] City field office uh may say

[12:04] >> she was fired um

[12:06] >> oh

[12:06] >> two weeks ago, notified that it was the

[12:09] end of her career without any cause. Um

[12:11] she's a career counterterrorism

[12:13] professional and the appearance is she

[12:15] was fired um because she was a DEI hire.

[12:18] >> Oh, Trump. It's because of Trump.

[12:22] And then this stupid tid on MSNBC

[12:25] reports his death.

[12:27] >> Von, let me let me interrupt you, Von,

[12:29] but please stay on the line. Um, Donald

[12:31] Trump has just posted on his social

[12:33] media platform, Truth Social, the

[12:35] following quote.

[12:37] >> The great and even legendary Charlie

[12:39] Kirk is dead.

[12:41] No one understood or had the heart of

[12:43] the youth in the United States of

[12:44] America better than Charlie. He was

[12:47] loved and admired by all, especially me.

[12:49] and now he is no longer with us. Melania

[12:52] and my sympathies go out to his

[12:53] beautiful wife Erica and family.

[12:56] Charlie, we love you.

[12:58] >> When she said Charlie, I love you,

[13:01] I thought it was her saying it.

[13:04] No,

[13:07] she's just reading what Trump said.

[13:10] Would it have killed her to use her own

[13:14] words,

[13:16] to say something

[13:18] to talk about their family, to say how

[13:20] terrible this is? No, she doesn't say

[13:22] anything like that.

[13:23] >> Uh, President Donald Trump just posting

[13:25] on his social media platform news that

[13:29] Charlie Kirk, conservative activist, um,

[13:32] has died in today's shooting. Bon

[13:34] Hillyard, uh, your reaction.

[13:38] >> How about your reaction? She doesn't

[13:40] show her face for like 10 minutes and

[13:42] when she does

[13:43] >> seem to lead towards violence until we

[13:46] actually have a threat of lawb breaking.

[13:48] Additionally,

[13:49] >> and that's a good thing, right? I mean,

[13:50] that is something that the right and the

[13:52] left agree on. Yeah.

[13:54] >> She laughs.

[13:57] Joe Rogan's response Joe Rogan's

[13:59] response to MSNBC and just finding out

[14:02] live.

[14:03] >> Should we bring this up? I guess we have

[14:05] to. So, this just happened. And uh we

[14:08] just found out that Charlie Kirk got

[14:09] shot.

[14:11] >> Normal people reaction.

[14:13] >> Awful.

[14:13] >> And is he dead?

[14:16] >> No, I don't think so.

[14:17] >> That's what was just

[14:18] >> one of the guys out there just said

[14:20] confirmed that he's dead

[14:21] >> in the lobby was just

[14:22] >> I was looking I've been looking. I

[14:24] haven't seen anything that said

[14:25] confirmed.

[14:28] >> Whoa.

[14:31] Murder for having a different opinion

[14:33] from somebody else.

[14:34] >> Yeah. different ideology from somebody

[14:36] else.

[14:38] >> Yeah.

[14:39] >> Yeah.

[14:39] >> I mean, I don't know.

[14:41] >> Beliefs that didn't align.

[14:43] >> Yeah.

[14:43] >> I'm sorry.

[14:44] >> Yeah.

[14:48] >> Jesus. 27 years old, maybe. 30.

[14:51] >> Did they even have a a suspect? Were you

[14:54] saying that MSNBC had a crazy take on

[14:56] it?

[14:57] >> What was their take?

[14:59] >> It's not a tweet. It's not on their

[15:01] Twitter account or anything.

[15:02] >> So, it's someone's hot take,

[15:04] >> I think. So, in the live in the moment.

[15:07] >> Yeah, that's a crazy take. Crazy take is

[15:11] that what was the take that they

[15:13] deserved it?

[15:13] >> I don't That's why I didn't want to pair

[15:15] it,

[15:15] >> right?

[15:17] >> Well, yeah.

[15:18] >> Here you go.

[15:18] >> It's exactly what it was. I just showed

[15:20] you.

[15:21] >> Shooting like this happens.

[15:23] >> You can put the headphones on. You can

[15:24] hear.

[15:25] >> Yeah. Again, emphasize what you just

[15:26] emphasized. We don't know any full

[15:28] details of this that we don't know if

[15:30] this was a supporter shooting their gun

[15:31] off in celebration or so. We have no

[15:34] idea. But

[15:34] >> that's that's what the crazy thing was.

[15:36] >> Oh, that's it.

[15:37] >> Yeah. If it was a supporter shooting

[15:38] their gun off in celebration.

[15:40] >> What? Someone shot their gun off in

[15:43] celebration and killed him.

[15:45] >> You know, you shoot celebration guns in

[15:47] the air.

[15:48] >> Oh god.

[15:48] >> Just uh

[15:49] >> what a crazy take. Like it might not

[15:51] have been someone assassinating someone

[15:53] for the wrong opinion.

[15:56] >> Huh.

[15:58] Why does something like that have to be

[16:00] spun?

[16:02] >> Their ideology. No, I know. But I'm just

[16:03] saying it's like

[16:04] >> I mean they want to try to pin it on a

[16:06] Trump supporter with a a crazy Trump

[16:07] supporter with a gun going wacky. We

[16:10] don't know if it was a supporter

[16:12] shooting off a gun in celebration cuz

[16:14] you know they do that. A lot of folks

[16:16] are just constantly out there shooting

[16:18] off guns at large gatherings in

[16:20] celebration.

[16:21] >> Yeah. Fourth of July, you can't leave

[16:22] your house. That that that's a Wow.

[16:24] >> There's going to be a lot of people

[16:25] celebrating this.

[16:28] It's so scary. It's so dangerous too to

[16:31] to to celebrate or to in any way

[16:34] encourage this kind of behavior from

[16:37] human beings.

[16:39] He's not a violent guy who's talking

[16:41] talking to people on college campuses.

[16:43] Wasn't even particularly rude. He was

[16:45] tried to be pretty reasonable with

[16:47] people.

[16:49] >> Everything I saw seemed reasonable.

[16:50] >> He's very intelligent guy.

[16:52] >> You know, whether you agree with him or

[16:53] don't. And there's a lot of stuff that I

[16:55] didn't agree with him on. That's fine.

[16:57] You're you're allowed to disagree with

[16:59] people without celebrating the fact they

[17:01] got shot.

[17:01] >> But you can't disrespect his passion.

[17:03] >> Yeah. Well, what you're supposed to do

[17:05] with a guy like that if you're opposing

[17:07] him is debate him.

[17:09] >> Have a conversation where your your

[17:11] argument is more compelling than his.

[17:13] >> Sure.

[17:14] >> Yeah.

[17:14] >> It's horrible.

[17:16] >> It's horrible. This podcast has been a

[17:18] lot about violence, man.

[17:19] >> They just released a suspect, a

[17:21] photograph of the suspect. This is what

[17:22] he looks like.

[17:25] If you know this terrible person, call

[17:28] the FBI now.