Charlie Kirk Debates Kamala Harris Supporters on Trump, Democracy, and the Border Crisis

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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.

Charlie Kirk Debates Kamala Harris Supporters on Trump, Democracy, and the Border Crisis

Charlie Kirk engages in a spirited debate with two Kamala Harris supporters who argue Trump is anti-American. The conversation covers January 6th, constitutional concerns, censorship under the Biden administration, and the border crisis. Kirk challenges them on Harris's accomplishments as vice president while defending Trump's record on the economy, border security, and foreign policy. The exchange highlights fundamental disagreements about what threatens American democracy, government censorship or Trump's rhetoric, and examines how immigration policy impacts Black Americans and the broader working class.

October 22, 2024

The Challenge: Is Trump Anti-American?

Two Kamala Harris supporters, Bernard and Zaha, approach Charlie Kirk with a direct challenge. They believe Donald Trump is fundamentally anti-American and anti-patriotic, undermining core American values. They present three main examples: Trump's Twitter rhetoric about suspending the Constitution, the events of January 6th, and his general treatment of Americans who disagree with him.

Kirk welcomes the respectful manner of their question and responds by reframing what democracy truly means to him—the ability to express opinions freely without government interference, regardless of political affiliation.

Censorship: The Real Threat to Democracy

Kirk pivots the conversation to what he sees as the Biden-Harris administration's most serious threat to democracy: censorship. He outlines several key concerns from the past four years:

  • The censorship of Donald Trump at the instruction of government agencies
  • People held without due process for expressing themselves openly
  • Social media companies suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on the eve of the last election
  • Direct message blocking on Twitter and Facebook for those trying to share certain stories

Kirk argues that voters don't have to agree with 100% of what any candidate says, but the basic rules of democracy require the ability to express opinions without government censorship. He contends that when comparing the Trump and Biden-Harris administrations on censorship, the difference isn't even close.

Debating Trump's Constitutional Threats

When pressed on whether Trump actually suspended the Constitution during his presidency, the supporters acknowledge he did not. Kirk challenges them on why they believe he would do so in a second term if he never did it during his first. The conversation shifts to January 6th, which the supporters describe as an attempt to use fake electors and delay vote certification.

Kirk responds by noting that Trump told supporters to "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol," emphasizing the importance of free speech. The discussion becomes tense when addressing Ashley Babbitt, the only person to die on January 6th, who Kirk describes as an unarmed Trump supporter killed by one of Nancy Pelosi's bodyguards.

Kamala Harris's Record as Vice President

Kirk turns the tables and asks what Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishment has been. The supporters cite her as the most active vice president in history, having cast the most tie-breaking votes in the Senate. They also reference her time as a district attorney and California attorney general.

Kirk reframes the question to focus on what Harris has actually done to improve Americans' lives. He points to three areas where she had specific responsibility:

  • The border crisis, with 10 million illegal immigrants entering under her watch
  • The Russian-Ukrainian War, following her speech at the Munich security conference
  • The withdrawal from Afghanistan

Kirk argues that everything Harris has touched as vice president has been a miserable failure, questioning why this record would qualify her to be president.

The Border Crisis and Missing Children

The conversation delves deeply into immigration policy. Kirk highlights that approximately 320,000 children are missing from the southern border, many of whom are being sex trafficked. He explains that Kamala Harris eliminated DNA testing at the border—a 90-second process that could determine if a child is related to the person bringing them across.

When the supporters mention the bipartisan border bill, Kirk responds that it would have been permissible for 5,000 people to cross daily before triggering a shutdown. He argues the border should be shut down after one illegal crossing, not 4,999.

Kirk emphasizes that most immigration isn't random border crossings but cartel-smuggled fraudulent asylum claims. He describes visiting the border and learning about cases from 135 different countries, with migrants paying cartels around $10,000 to fraudulently claim asylum. He estimates 90% of border crossers are essentially pseudo-slaves to the cartels.

The Remain in Mexico Policy

A key point of debate centers on Trump's signature "Remain in Mexico" policy. Kirk explains that while a federal judge ruled it remains the law of the land, the current administration simply isn't enforcing it. This leads to his broader argument: if existing laws aren't being enforced, there's no point in passing new ones. The first step should be enforcing current laws, completing border wall construction, and stopping federal funding for sanctuary cities.

Comparing Presidential Records on Key Issues

Kirk presents what he calls "hard facts" comparing the Trump and Biden-Harris administrations:

Economy: Under Trump, prices stayed flat while wages went up. Under Biden-Harris, prices have increased while wages remained flat.

Border Security: Under Trump in 2019, the country hit an all-time low for illegal entries. Under Biden-Harris, the last four years saw the largest number of illegal entries over a three-year span in American history.

Foreign Policy: Under Trump, there were no major conflicts in Russia-Ukraine or the Middle East. Under Biden-Harris, America is closer to World War III than at any point in recent memory.

Kirk encourages the supporters to evaluate which candidate will actually make their lives better over the next four years based on these measurable outcomes.

Immigration System Rewards Lying

Kirk makes a provocative argument about the current immigration system: it literally selects for people most willing to lie to the US government. He explains that asylum laws require documented proof of bodily harm threats based on race, religion, or similar factors. Those who honestly say they don't have such proof don't get in, but those willing to lie and check the box on the CBP One app do get in.

This means the system's first test rewards lawbreaking, and Kirk argues it's no surprise that people whose first act entering the country breaks the law often continue breaking laws once here. He insists this isn't racist or xenophobic but a fact-based observation about who the system selects.

The City of Dreams and Child Trafficking

Kirk references a movie he helped make called "City of Dreams," which tells the true story of a young man smuggled across the border and forced into labor in Los Angeles sweatshops. He argues this is the kind of issue the left used to care about—children separated from parents and put into forced labor—but is now a direct consequence of cartel-influenced policies under the current administration.

Impact on Black Americans

Kirk concludes with a pointed message about how immigration policy affects Black Americans specifically. He argues that Black Americans should be concerned about being replaced by foreigners, noting that while Democrats have long claimed an obligation to Black Americans, the current administration prioritizes third-world migrants over the Black community.

He cites examples from Chicago and New York where this displacement is visible, with foreign workers undercutting wages and filling cities. Kirk plants a seed with the supporters that Black America is being put last, which he suggests has been a common theme over the last 60 years when Democrats are in control.

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