Charlie Kirk and Lance Wallnau Confront the Crisis of Silent Pastors at Turning Point USA Faith Summit

[00:01] okay welcome back everybody uh we are at

[00:04] the TP USA Faith pastors Summit you can

[00:07] learn more at tpfaith.com 1 100 pastors

[00:11] from across the country are here and a

[00:13] perfect guest to join us for the entire

[00:15] hour someone that I have known for years

[00:17] and he is one of the most important

[00:19] voices in American Christianity Lance

[00:22] wall now check out his podcast the Lance

[00:24] wall now show I check it on real

[00:26] America's voice on the weekend it is

[00:28] excellent and honored to have him with

[00:31] us for the full hour Lance how you doing

[00:33] welcome to the program

[00:34] I'm doing well and how exciting do you

[00:37] hear you have 1100 pastors Charlie how

[00:39] is that different than when you started

[00:41] years ago trying to get churches to get

[00:44] interested in the future of America and

[00:47] conservative youth

[00:50] yeah it's it's amazing Lance it's a

[00:52] worker the Lord and when we started this

[00:55] project the TP USA faith I had no idea

[00:57] what the response would be and we

[00:59] actually have a seating problem we have

[01:00] more pastors that want to attend this

[01:02] now our third Pastor Summit in the last

[01:04] 13 months uh we did one in August of

[01:07] last year we did one in Nashville uh

[01:09] that was massive and this one's the

[01:10] biggest one ever so praise God uh it's

[01:12] it's really uh growing like wild in our

[01:15] critics Lance call us Christian

[01:17] nationalists now I have a response to

[01:19] that but Lance How would how should a

[01:21] Christian respond how should a pastor

[01:22] respond if they are all of a sudden

[01:24] confronted with the accusation that they

[01:26] are a Christian nationalist

[01:28] but and this is something Rush used to

[01:31] talk about he said that no matter what

[01:33] label or name you come up with they have

[01:36] this ubiquitous power through media and

[01:39] sound bite to stigmatize anything so

[01:43] that a Christian nationalist is I'm

[01:45] almost at the point now where I'm

[01:47] thinking uh what do we got to do we have

[01:49] to constantly like change our name so am

[01:52] I a

[01:53] um a Christian populist maybe that

[01:55] throws them off for a week and then

[01:57] they'll come back at me at something but

[01:59] really what is or you could be like

[02:00] William Booth he said when he was spit

[02:03] on once during a um a Salvation Army

[02:06] march he said wear it like a badge of

[02:09] honor because eventually they're going

[02:11] to stigmatize whatever you call yourself

[02:13] I'm a Christian I believe in God and I

[02:16] love my nation I guess that makes me a

[02:18] nationalist if that's evil then then

[02:21] don't uh don't misrepresent what the

[02:23] word actually means it means that I'm a

[02:25] Christian loves my nation you on the

[02:27] other hand are what you're you're

[02:28] someone who isn't a Christian who

[02:30] doesn't love his Nation so what do we

[02:32] call that

[02:33] we may end up just at that point we have

[02:35] to wear it as a badge of honor

[02:39] yeah so that that's I think there's some

[02:41] truth to that Lance unfortunately far

[02:43] too many passengers they they think of

[02:45] it as a slur or they think of it as

[02:49] something to be apologetic or they say

[02:51] well you know I I don't want to take

[02:53] over the over the government as a

[02:55] Christian but we're contending for

[02:57] restoring the Constitutional order

[02:59] aren't we Lance that we believe that the

[03:01] church and Christians should be

[03:03] counselors to the king to be in the

[03:04] Public Square to restore parents rights

[03:07] to restore separation of powers and the

[03:09] promise of the Bill of Rights these are

[03:11] not radical proposals we believe that

[03:13] when the church is active and Christians

[03:15] are aware that a free Society flourishes

[03:18] Lance we're trying to solve this problem

[03:20] here at our pastor Summit and mind you

[03:22] not every at one of these attendees is

[03:24] all in necessarily as outspoken as Lance

[03:27] wall now or Charlie Kirk some of them

[03:28] are in the middle some of them are you

[03:30] know getting into the action or the

[03:32] Praxis if you will however there are

[03:35] still plenty of naysayers that say boy

[03:37] it sounds really scary to speak doubt on

[03:40] these things it I don't know if I'm

[03:42] comfortable because I could be

[03:44] criticized what just kind of give a

[03:46] bigger picture there's to our estimation

[03:48] there's about 30 to 35

[03:50] 000 Pastors in America Lance there might

[03:52] be even more but that's based on our

[03:53] research about 30 to 35 000 senior

[03:55] pastors or pastors that are giving

[03:57] sermons on a weekly basis or on a

[03:59] bi-weekly basis

[04:00] what a vast majority of them do not

[04:03] speak out on cultural issues and a lot

[04:04] of them are swayed by the media why is

[04:07] that and how do we go about solving it

[04:09] in in your opinion well it's it's the

[04:12] weakness unfortunately Charlie of

[04:13] history when you're raised in a family

[04:16] you're third generation your first your

[04:18] grandparents had to go fight the Indians

[04:21] and the land and and be able to you know

[04:24] plant a village the next generation was

[04:27] barely able to harvest the crop and

[04:29] survive the third generation then was

[04:31] making a living off of the store in the

[04:33] neighborhood with the food already

[04:35] provided we live off the borrowed piece

[04:38] of the second world war generation we

[04:41] never had to fight actually the issues

[04:43] that we're fighting now so the clergy

[04:46] has never been trained to be the front

[04:48] lines of protecting fundamental

[04:50] principles of social order they talk

[04:53] about the more esoteric subject matter

[04:55] about you know what you know about how

[04:57] to live a Victorious Life how to

[04:59] overcome stress those are the themes

[05:01] that Rick Warren built Saddleback on now

[05:04] you turn it around and say well how do

[05:06] you deal with a child that's suicidal or

[05:08] what do you do when the schools trying

[05:09] to convert your 11 year old and to

[05:11] becoming a different or what do you do

[05:13] when you're being taught that your

[05:15] child's skin color is the reason for all

[05:17] the iniquity in the United States now

[05:19] the pasture has got a whole different

[05:21] set of problems he totally unequipped to

[05:24] address unless we do two things provide

[05:27] the pressure for them to address them

[05:29] which is coming through the congregation

[05:30] evidently and secondly the tools and

[05:33] resources none of this was taught to

[05:35] them at Bible College

[05:38] yeah that's right Lance and let's talk

[05:40] about the Bible College or the

[05:42] seminaries I am shocked at how some of

[05:44] these seminaries have become basically

[05:46] left-wing institutions

[05:48] that are camouflaged or masquerading as

[05:51] seminaries how lost is the traditional

[05:55] American Seminary I mean I hear stories

[05:57] from some that have been these wonderful

[05:59] places like Calvin College or Taylor

[06:02] College in Indiana that used to be some

[06:04] of the strongest Bible colleges what has

[06:06] happened to our once great institutions

[06:08] and Seminary Slants where did where did

[06:10] that go off the rails because they're

[06:12] unrecognizable many of them now

[06:15] they are and and so now it's it's so

[06:17] funny we're talking about this because

[06:19] 20 years ago I started what became

[06:21] almost like a a cult classic it's seven

[06:24] mountains of culture 20 years ago I

[06:27] started talking to the church about you

[06:29] better pay attention to media and to

[06:32] Academia and the government and the

[06:34] business and to entertainment along with

[06:37] your family and with your church because

[06:39] the devil if you want to put it in

[06:41] Christian language the devil will go for

[06:44] the gates of influence if he can occupy

[06:46] the gates he can control the traffic he

[06:49] will go for the top of these

[06:51] institutions and we'd better be training

[06:53] our children to think about being

[06:55] influences within the world system and

[06:58] not hiding out from the world system

[06:59] looking for some kind of a Rapture

[07:01] Exodus or going into Ministry is the

[07:03] only career for a Christian and the idea

[07:06] was applauded but no churches took it

[07:09] seriously meanwhile you've got the

[07:11] Socialist Marx's Italian grandchy model

[07:14] Act being executed the Long March

[07:17] through the institutions and they didn't

[07:19] skip the religious Mountain they went

[07:21] right to it they said well we're going

[07:23] to have same-sex marriage verified and

[07:25] accepted and then we're going to begin

[07:27] to have we're going to change the laws

[07:29] about how the church can speak and what

[07:31] it could talk about and then we're going

[07:33] to go to the seminaries the Bible

[07:35] colleges and we're going to start to put

[07:37] wealthy donors on the boards who will

[07:39] fund if you will go along with certain

[07:41] modifications to your Orthodoxy it it's

[07:44] and it's done that way on Every Mountain

[07:46] it's done that way in education as well

[07:48] incrementally what you don't protect and

[07:51] Steward uh spiritually the devil will

[07:54] take those Gates have now become taken

[07:57] captive and it's harder to retake a gate

[08:00] once you've given it up

[08:04] that is really wise the check out the

[08:06] Lance wall now program we're gonna be

[08:08] with Lance the entire hour he also has a

[08:11] book God's chaos code by Lance Walnut

[08:14] the shocking blueprint that reveals five

[08:16] keys to the destiny of Nations uh the

[08:19] Lance wall now show is excellent and has

[08:21] a new podcast out and also author of

[08:24] God's chaos code uh Cyrus Trump which is

[08:28] a really great book I remember when uh

[08:31] Lance first laid out that Donald Trump

[08:33] was very similar to Cyrus I really

[08:35] encourage you guys to check it out also

[08:37] we got an email here from one of our

[08:39] listeners they said Charlie I'm

[08:41] resonated with Lance saying I'm a

[08:43] practicing Jew the uh synagogue I grew

[08:46] up in wrapped the Torah the entire month

[08:48] of June in the pride flag so it's not

[08:50] just churches and so you're spot on

[08:52] their Lance and we'll talk about that

[08:54] and and just that's pretty amazing that

[08:56] one's a new one I gotta be honest I I

[08:57] have not heard that one uh so we'll talk

[09:00] about that in a second welcome back

[09:01] everybody Lance wall now continues with

[09:03] us Atlanta Lance just any reaction to

[09:06] the synagogue wrapping the Torah in the

[09:08] pride flag your reaction Lance Walnut

[09:11] listen you know the the I really wish we

[09:13] had a full-time comedy team because

[09:15] Babylon B is about the only place I can

[09:17] go to to catch people to catch it the

[09:20] essence of humor is when you take an

[09:22] unpredictable Direction at the end of

[09:24] the punch line and there's nothing to me

[09:26] because I'm 20 Ashkenazi Jew I'm Jewish

[09:29] on my father's side there's nothing to

[09:31] me more incongruent than let's say an

[09:34] orthodox Jew wrapping the Torah and a

[09:37] pride flag there's so I'm thinking where

[09:40] can you find greater uh contrast or a

[09:43] punch line than that so so that's when

[09:46] you said it I started laughing I don't

[09:47] know why I was laughing I was thinking

[09:48] now that's about as incongruent as you

[09:50] could possibly get uh but there it is

[09:53] it's it's just you know it's like when

[09:55] they call Ben Carson uh you know a a

[09:57] white nationalist it's there's something

[09:59] about these things that cracks me up and

[10:01] I can't figure it out

[10:04] so Lance tell us about your book God's

[10:07] chaos code uh it was originally

[10:09] published a couple years ago but the

[10:11] truths are just as relevant today as it

[10:14] was then tell us about your book and how

[10:16] it applies today

[10:17] yeah it's very simple you know Chuck

[10:19] Missler years ago great brilliant um

[10:22] engineer turns Theologian in California

[10:24] said that the greatest Miracle of the

[10:27] 21st century was that God took a people

[10:28] like Israel scattered all over the world

[10:30] and brought it back into their Homeland

[10:32] after 2 000 years and they spoke the

[10:34] same language they had the same custom

[10:36] they come with the same beliefs and they

[10:38] pick up where they left off and the real

[10:39] estate was even available and he said

[10:42] that what we should be looking at is

[10:45] every book of the Bible that speaks of

[10:47] what happened when they returned and

[10:50] what God did and that's when I started

[10:52] going to the Bible and saying wait a

[10:54] second maybe there's a prophetic pattern

[10:55] when Israel in 1947 came back maybe

[10:59] there's a pattern to what happened to

[11:01] Israel and what's happening in the world

[11:03] and particularly to this Gentile country

[11:05] the United States that has been so

[11:08] significant in its in its connection

[11:10] with Israel and that's when I was

[11:12] shocked I saw that it started with Cyrus

[11:15] an outsider who was brought in to

[11:17] protect the Jews and it's Isaiah 45 I

[11:20] looked at Isaiah 45 and said my gosh the

[11:23] 45th president is the only Outsider

[11:25] we've got everyone else is a is an

[11:27] Evangelical to Christians he's got a

[11:29] Huckabee you got a cruise you got uh Ben

[11:31] Carson Trump comes in as The Outsider as

[11:34] the Cyrus type and then it goes on to

[11:37] say that when they went back Cyrus said

[11:39] I'm that God raised up Cyrus for the

[11:42] sake of his people I think Americans

[11:44] praying for this broadcast for those

[11:46] that are Christians our desperate

[11:48] prayers and intercession are the only

[11:50] thing that stands between America and

[11:52] imminent self-destruction so it was the

[11:55] prayers and so of Cyrus Isaiah the

[11:57] prophet said 120 years before Cyrus was

[12:00] born predicted God is going to raise up

[12:02] a ruler named Cyrus he's going to go

[12:04] into Babylon he's going to go he's going

[12:06] to go there for my people's sake though

[12:09] when he does it he will not be someone

[12:11] who knows of me so right there I have my

[12:14] argument that we can elect somebody like

[12:16] Trump when he was running that he'll

[12:18] he'll have an encounter with God but God

[12:20] raises up Sovereign vessels for the sake

[12:22] of his people after Cyrus Came to power

[12:24] the next thing was the focus is what

[12:27] you're doing Charlie which was the word

[12:29] was rebuild a national house rebuild a

[12:33] vital house for the nation Reese bill so

[12:36] God's command was restore the house

[12:38] Cyrus said go back to your land rebuild

[12:41] the house and when they did that they

[12:44] had a Great Awakening there's your C

[12:46] Cyrus there's your h house there's your

[12:48] a Awakening and the purpose of the

[12:51] Awakening was what followed right after

[12:52] that Nehemiah and Ezra rise up this is

[12:56] exactly the history of the Jews they go

[12:58] back and they begin to rebuild the walls

[13:01] that were destroyed during their period

[13:03] of Disobedience and restore the gates of

[13:06] influence the Twelve Gates that were

[13:09] sieged by Babylon the infusion that came

[13:11] into their country and after that we

[13:14] come to the S they became a Sovereign

[13:16] Nation land where the Messiah himself

[13:19] would visit fulfilling prophecy or what

[13:22] Jesus says is Sovereign sheep Nations at

[13:24] the end of the age and goat nations are

[13:27] going to be gathered together just two

[13:28] types of Nations those that retain their

[13:32] sovereignty and refuse to persecute

[13:34] God's people and those that bow the need

[13:36] of the spirit of Empire and that's where

[13:38] we're at right now it's spelled

[13:40] c-h-a-o-s God is in the chaos

[13:45] we're going to talk more about that

[13:46] after the break you also can check out

[13:48] lancewallnow.com where he has several

[13:50] interesting

[13:52] episodes out that I want to ask him

[13:53] about uh including Jewish Secrets

[13:56] Christians must learn so I want to ask

[13:58] about that after the break Lance stay

[14:00] right there Lance wall now continues

[14:03] with us so Lance we're receiving several

[14:05] emails about Kim Kim Clement uh you

[14:09] mentioned him in your book talk about

[14:11] your time with Kim Clement and some of

[14:13] the some would say prophecies or

[14:16] predictions that he made towards the end

[14:18] of his life tell us about that Lance

[14:20] sure so Tim and I travel together and uh

[14:23] he would he would do the prophetic

[14:25] Ministry and then he would kind of turn

[14:27] to me to explain uh to people what it

[14:30] was he was prophesied because he as he

[14:32] said he would get the nuts but someone

[14:34] else had to crack them so

[14:38] it's a for instance before before Trump

[14:40] came on the scene he prophesied he had

[14:43] this South African accent and he said

[14:45] the spirit of the Lord says that I am

[14:48] dissatisfied with both parties now first

[14:50] of all whoever heard God being

[14:51] interested in politics in the first

[14:53] place this is a revelation of a lot of

[14:54] pastors but this Prophet put it this way

[14:56] the spirit of the Lord says I'm

[14:58] dissatisfied with both parties and what

[15:00] I'm about to do will be uh will be

[15:03] repulsive to the Democrats and and

[15:05] positively distasteful to the

[15:07] Republicans and I remember him saying

[15:09] that I thought him you only have two

[15:11] party I mean independent parties don't

[15:13] make it to the finish line here so how

[15:15] could how could we ever have a candidate

[15:17] that's repulsive to both parties or

[15:20] disliked by either party but then Trump

[15:22] came along and it actually fulfilled

[15:25] fulfilled prophecy and then he went on

[15:27] to say that God was going to raise up a

[15:30] movement that was going to be neither

[15:33] this nor that but it would be for

[15:34] America it will be an American Party

[15:36] Movement and I've often said I think

[15:38] like the tea party and what's coming up

[15:40] now is the party that's for America and

[15:43] it's not grounded in the in the unit

[15:46] party which is he was ahead of his time

[15:48] the unit party of other I can tell you

[15:50] stories about specific words that he got

[15:52] with people in audiences that that are

[15:55] raised their hair in your arms but this

[15:57] is the part that is the most relevant to

[15:58] the battle we're in right now as a

[16:00] republic

[16:03] and he had some very specific prophecy

[16:06] we're actually going to try to get some

[16:08] of the tape here if we could do it in

[16:09] time

[16:10] Lance wall now continues with us

[16:12] lancewall now.com and Lance I hear from

[16:16] some Christians and you talk about this

[16:17] here you know unlocking end time Secrets

[16:19] is one of the podcasts that you do in

[16:21] the Lance well now show I hear from some

[16:23] Christians Charlie things look so

[16:25] terrible they're not falling apart

[16:26] they're falling into place Jesus is

[16:28] coming next Thursday what is the point

[16:30] to fight Lance how do you respond to

[16:33] Christians that emphasize eschatology to

[16:36] such an extent where they say I'm done

[16:38] fighting I'm done contesting for truth

[16:42] well that's just frankly I don't mean to

[16:44] insult them because they're sincere

[16:46] people that would take the time to write

[16:47] but what they suffer from is biblical

[16:49] illiteracy Jesus said this I occupy till

[16:54] I come

[16:55] now when you get words like that from a

[16:57] commander-in-chief who's leaving

[16:59] departing and he says I'm coming back

[17:00] like MacArthur I will return and he says

[17:03] meanwhile occupied till I come that's

[17:06] not the cue for you to be preoccupied

[17:08] with when he comes while you hide out in

[17:10] the basement eating soy beans and

[17:12] watching your favorite YouTube profit so

[17:15] the people that are retreating from the

[17:16] Battle of culture I I would almost

[17:19] predict are the very ones who Jesus

[17:23] warns about who many there's ten virgins

[17:25] when he comes back they're all virgins

[17:27] they're all believers they're all virgin

[17:29] only five of them were ready when he

[17:31] returned five of them had oil in their

[17:34] lamp they had oil with them why because

[17:36] they were engaged the other five were

[17:39] sleeping so those that want to hide out

[17:42] that want to anesthetize themselves that

[17:44] want to go into and California is like

[17:47] the Grand Puba of this deception we're

[17:49] just not going to vote and get involved

[17:51] with politics because the sooner Things

[17:52] Fall Apart the sooner Jesus returns well

[17:54] that's not exactly right Jesus says

[17:57] occupied till I come and then he says

[17:59] all authority in Heaven and Earth has

[18:01] been given to me go therefore and

[18:04] disciple Nations break out what I teach

[18:07] as a worldview teach other nations the

[18:10] mistake we made in America is the church

[18:12] isolated itself focused on its own

[18:15] growth its own spiritual empowerment and

[18:19] uh the return of Jesus while the secular

[18:22] World taught we preached and they taught

[18:25] we should have done what Jesus said

[18:27] preach the gospel and teach Nations we

[18:30] should have been in education teaching

[18:32] worldview we should have been in

[18:34] economics teaching economics you know

[18:36] most of the progress of civilization

[18:38] people don't get this came out of the

[18:40] Reformation base of Europe it came out

[18:43] of science it came out from music with

[18:45] Bach to to Newton these were people of

[18:48] Faith Charlie these were these weren't

[18:50] the enlightened God rejecters of Harvard

[18:52] these were enlightened Christians who

[18:56] gave us the Renaissance the reformation

[18:57] and the progress we have in America so

[19:00] so when I hear Christians say they don't

[19:02] want to get involved with

[19:04] um with the nitty-gritty of what you're

[19:06] doing right now I see people that are

[19:09] forsaking the front lines of the battle

[19:11] where occupation is needed most

[19:15] so let me read here Lance and I'd like

[19:18] to have you respond Andy Stanley wrote a

[19:21] book about not getting involved in

[19:23] politics he writes quote the reaction of

[19:26] evangelicals to political and cultural

[19:28] ships in recent years revealed what they

[19:31] value most lurking beneath our

[19:33] bible-laced rhetoric Faith claims books

[19:35] and sermons is a Relentless drive to win

[19:37] but the church is not here to win writes

[19:40] Andy Stanley by every human measure Our

[19:42] Savior lost on purpose with a purpose

[19:46] bizarre I don't really know how he could

[19:48] say that and we are his body we are not

[19:50] in it to win anything we are in it for

[19:53] something else entirely that something

[19:55] else is what this book is about and so

[19:57] he argues here that the church should

[20:01] not get involved at all he's a quote

[20:02] unquote leading Evangelical speaker he

[20:06] at cnn.com article says here quote I

[20:09] want to make sure I read this correctly

[20:11] and quote it correctly that the

[20:13] Evangelical Church faces a state of

[20:15] emergency over politics and getting

[20:18] involved in politics Lance wall now your

[20:21] reaction to Andy Stanley

[20:23] the um the state of the American Church

[20:26] faces a crisis over whether or not it's

[20:29] going to be under the influence of these

[20:31] false teachers like Andy Stanley or

[20:33] whether they're going to be enlightened

[20:35] in time to protect themselves and their

[20:36] children from the loss of Liberty the uh

[20:40] the problem with Andy Stanley is that he

[20:43] doesn't that they listen to the logic of

[20:45] what he said that he is evaluated that

[20:47] evangelicals get engaged with political

[20:50] matters because of their desire to win

[20:53] well let's say that you've got Al Qaeda

[20:56] trying to break into the cockpit of the

[20:58] plane you and your family are on your

[21:00] way to a vacation but Al Qaeda wants to

[21:02] crash it maybe winning for you is

[21:05] keeping Al Qaeda from being behind the

[21:07] controls that will crash your future and

[21:10] your family this is why we engage in

[21:12] every battle we get into it's out of

[21:15] love for the passengers of the plane

[21:17] it's out of love for our children we are

[21:19] intended to win it we're fighting for

[21:22] survival at this point we're in the

[21:24] battle of the ages to keep the lights on

[21:26] for Liberty and freedom of speech when

[21:28] you've got Jordan Peterson in Ontario

[21:30] Canada uh having to put forty thousand

[21:33] dollars a month up in legal expenses and

[21:35] being forced in order to retain his

[21:37] license as a psychiatrist to have to

[21:39] subject themselves to Social Media

[21:41] communication training under the Trudeau

[21:44] government when you have another Pastor

[21:46] like Arthur pawlowski struggling to

[21:48] maybe have to go to prison because he

[21:50] was preaching the gospel the truckers

[21:52] when they were protesting my friend Andy

[21:54] Stanley is out to lunch I feel sorry for

[21:57] the people that are under the influence

[21:59] of of voices like that the Apostle Paul

[22:02] said that I don't run aimlessly I don't

[22:04] fight aimlessly I fight in order to

[22:07] score points and as an athlete I keep my

[22:10] body under all the metaphors of Paul

[22:12] were about being in it to win it he was

[22:15] in it to win the crown of God's approval

[22:18] for a job well done our job in America

[22:20] is to preserve the religious liberty and

[22:23] the truth that God has given this

[22:24] country before the lights go out and if

[22:27] we do not occupy till he comes the

[22:30] territory will be occupied by something

[22:32] seven times worse perversion communism

[22:36] Marxism death is going to be in our

[22:39] future

[22:43] First Corinthians 15 57 but

[22:46] no it's not and it says here in First

[22:48] Corinthians 15 57 but thanks be to God

[22:51] which giveth us the victory through our

[22:54] Lord Jesus Christ I don't understand how

[22:56] Andy Stanley could write that

[22:59] by every human measure Our Savior lost I

[23:02] mean rise up in the dead even by human

[23:06] measures is like the greatest Victory

[23:07] ever what does he mean by that Lance but

[23:09] by every human well what he's saying is

[23:12] that Christian is it's a pietism gone

[23:15] crazy it's almost like uh Alzheimer's

[23:18] got to him with pietism what happens is

[23:20] the the idea that you're supposed to be

[23:22] separated from the motivation of carnal

[23:25] things this is true we are not in it in

[23:28] order to gain Earthly recognition or

[23:31] power this is what the left and the weak

[23:33] evangelicals accuse us of Charlie they

[23:36] say you guys are in a power struggle

[23:38] just like the left is in a power

[23:40] struggle actually no that's why I use

[23:42] the metaphor of al-Qaeda in a plane for

[23:44] 9 11. what we're trying to do is we're

[23:47] trying to protect we're using the

[23:48] god-given freedoms that we have in order

[23:51] to protect ourselves from the loss of

[23:54] those freedoms Andy Stanley I'm going to

[23:56] say something controversial Andy Stanley

[23:58] and Creflo dollar are two of the most

[24:01] prominent powerful influential Georgia

[24:04] preachers we've got their decision to

[24:08] not educate and engage their

[24:10] congregations probably cost us Georgia

[24:13] and with that you now have Trump

[24:16] struggling with his own Survival where

[24:19] the one case where the most deranged zip

[24:21] code could put in behind bars occupies

[24:24] you could lay that at the foot of two

[24:27] pastors who subscribe to the Demonic

[24:30] idea that Christians shouldn't care

[24:32] about the government Mountain

[24:36] yeah so what is Andy Stanley and the

[24:39] Georgia pastors done to speak out about

[24:42] the people that have been wrongfully

[24:43] indicted by Fanny Willis nothing of

[24:46] course nothing and such a powerful Point

[24:48] Lance and I mean some people say oh

[24:50] Charlie you pick on Andy Stanley too

[24:52] much now he picks on he picks on the

[24:55] truth too much and so he deserves it and

[24:57] Lance about a minute react to this that

[24:59] if you are in the ministry and you're

[25:02] abusing the holy you should not be in

[25:05] the ministry you can go find something

[25:06] else to do

[25:07] so tell us about this you look the guy

[25:10] react to that Lance if you're in the

[25:11] ministry you are should be you should be

[25:12] held to a higher standard one minute

[25:14] remaining Lance well now

[25:16] you know you know so the way that teach

[25:18] the the words should be held to a higher

[25:20] scrutiny and uh and and certainly the

[25:23] the thing like with Andy Stanley I was

[25:25] thinking about he's not in it to win it

[25:26] so so he's he's going to choose it to

[25:29] lose it nobody uh that is going to get

[25:32] behind the pulpit today can afford to go

[25:36] there unless they have courage and that

[25:38] means that you can't be worried about

[25:40] losing people or losing money but I can

[25:42] almost promise you every Pastor that is

[25:44] articulate well informed and properly

[25:46] motivated will replace the people he

[25:48] loses with actually strongly committed

[25:51] Patriot Christians who will build your

[25:53] church it's the best Church growth

[25:55] strategy in the world right now is to

[25:58] have a perspective and articulate it

[26:00] strongly because the church is looking

[26:02] for leadership

[26:06] the church is in desperate need of

[26:08] leadership and it is hard to find check

[26:11] it out Lance walnut.com and the Lance

[26:13] wanna short more in just a second Lance

[26:16] I want to give you an opportunity plug

[26:17] your show your podcast glance you've

[26:19] been very generous of your time you've

[26:20] been a great friend tell people how they

[26:22] could support you your program and the

[26:24] content that you're putting out Lance

[26:25] well now well thank you so much Charlie

[26:28] so the latest wall now show has like

[26:29] around got like around a weird 11

[26:31] million downloads or something so far

[26:33] and we just started like two years ago

[26:36] and the real the real challenge for me

[26:38] is I don't know how you handle this well

[26:40] I think you do it well but uh I have a

[26:43] difficulty because I can't get on

[26:44] secular radio because I'm too Christian

[26:46] I can't get on Christian radio because

[26:48] I'm too political you're the only guy I

[26:50] know that's been able to navigate the

[26:51] two and get radio stations so I should

[26:53] probably work with you more but the uh

[26:55] the beautiful thing about the show we've

[26:57] got is I get to talk about whatever I

[27:00] want to talk about because uh I've got

[27:02] 200 000 subscribers they took me off of

[27:05] YouTube on and I made the decision I'm

[27:07] going to build a podcast where I don't

[27:10] edit what I say or fear of what sensors

[27:13] don't uh approve of I agree with Dr

[27:15] Carlson say the thing they don't want

[27:17] you to talk about and I believe the

[27:19] Awakening that is in America right now

[27:21] is going to be driven by Christian

[27:22] engagement but it's going to ultimately

[27:24] become a populist movement so that's the

[27:27] focus of our show uh Charlie you can get

[27:29] it on any kind of a platform and I do a

[27:31] lot of uh for the old timers I still do

[27:33] a lot of Facebook videos because I do

[27:36] these late night rants at around 11

[27:37] o'clock that my studio team can't keep

[27:39] up with so that's when I ventilate and

[27:42] go through my Gestalt therapy

[27:48] in closing here Lance I want you to

[27:50] address this it's kind of a two-part

[27:51] question Charlie and Lance I love

[27:53] everything you're saying but my pastor

[27:55] won't budge he says we only preach the

[27:57] gospel should I try to confront him

[27:59] counsel him challenge him leave the

[28:02] church we get this question all the time

[28:04] Lance I'm sure you do too should I leave

[28:06] the church should I find a better church

[28:08] should I try to change the church

[28:09] because it's one thing to talk to

[28:11] pastors we're trying to do this at TP

[28:12] USA Faith but also in the congregants

[28:15] your reaction Lance as we kind of close

[28:18] out this discussion how they should

[28:19] handle this

[28:20] yes well two things uh first of all

[28:22] understand that I hate to say this but

[28:25] the church is a little bit like a

[28:26] political institution who is the

[28:29] pastor's primary uh client who is he

[28:31] trying to keep happy he's got Elders

[28:33] he's got bored a board of directors or a

[28:36] non-profit board he's got leadership on

[28:39] his eldership team whoever brought him

[28:40] in if he's the next Pastor after the

[28:42] last guy so the way that you have to

[28:45] approach this is if you're not a good

[28:46] member in standing your opinion is

[28:48] pretty much useless you're you're not a

[28:50] giving member a participating member if

[28:52] you're not an influential member then

[28:54] you're just an opinion so what you want

[28:56] to do is make sure you've got a good

[28:58] relationship with the pastor in the

[28:59] church by investing in it the second

[29:01] thing is don't go alone your one single

[29:04] voice isn't powerful but if you can get

[29:07] two or three other people to join with

[29:09] you that gets a pastor's attention if

[29:11] you get one businessman one Giver here's

[29:15] their economics one significant tither

[29:17] or give her to the church whose way

[29:20] Faith agrees with you get with that

[29:22] couple if they will support you in

[29:25] saying we don't want you to change the

[29:27] gospel we want you to address questions

[29:30] uh that are that we're hearing all the

[29:32] time and then you can look at barna's

[29:34] list of questions which people 90 of the

[29:37] people in the church want to have

[29:38] answers to they want to know how does

[29:40] the bible apply to economics how does

[29:41] the bible apply to race Theory how does

[29:42] the bible apply to sex and gender and if

[29:45] the pastor understands that you've got

[29:47] influence you've got someone in business

[29:49] behind you and that you're asking them

[29:51] to be informed on things that 90 percent

[29:53] of the church wants to hear about I

[29:55] would say you've got more leverage in

[29:57] that conversation than just saying why

[29:58] don't you talk about abortion or

[30:00] something like that

[30:04] everybody check it out lancewallnow.com

[30:06] he does an amazing job Lance thanks so

[30:10] much talk to you soon

[30:12] Charlie always good to see you